Posted by gatesy815 on Saturday, May 29th, 2010 at 3:42 pm - filed under Lost, Lost Featured, Lost Recaps, Lost Theories - (278) Comments
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You can let go now.

For years I have imagined LOST’s future and its resolutions. I have greatly anticipated “The End”. Some of my ideas were good, some were not. Some of my hopes were justified, others were, frankly, pretty unreasonable. I can guarantee you that my version of the ending would not be as good, or as moving, as the one we saw. And I think that’s probably true for all the possible ending we had collectively anticipated.

Without any doubt the finale hit all the right emotional notes for me. Kate and Jack’s separation, Hurley’s acceptance of leadership and Jack’s death were very special moments. Living in the UK we watched the finale the following morning and our 2 year old son woke up towards the end and joined us. And as Jack was reunited with his father, my son came to sit and cuddle with me. It was all a bit too much. And then Vincent sat down with a dying Jack, perhaps the greatest moment in all of LOST, and I was gone. All of the ‘Awakenings’ were so well written and executed and had me welling up – except the Sayid & Shannon one, I’m sure we all were thinking “Shannon? Really?”, though I suppose they did indicate earlier in the season that Sayid didn’t deserve Nadia – one bomb to the chest does not totally excuse 20 years of torturing and murdering! There were some seriously awesome, stand out dramatic highs – Locke threatening to kill Rose & Bernard, the two groups meeting on the hill, the Jack/Locke literal fight to the death, the Ben/Locke forgiveness scene outside the church. So many satisfying moments. Yet these are not the things that most people are talking about.

The ending was not what I was expecting – the Island story was far more straight forward and its resolution contained no great twist (which I suppose is a twist in itself). The other timeline (the terms ‘Alternate’ or ‘Sideways seems redundant now – so I’m going to call it the ‘Flash Upwards’) finished on a truly surprising note; the afterlife; the spiritual realm; the first plain of heaven.

I did not see that coming. I have always loved the spiritual part of the story but for it to finish on a purely spiritual note – that was bold and fearless storytelling. I am still shocked actually.

Just as shocking was that the story of the finale was actually quite simple:

On the Island – Desmond puts out the light at the heart of the Island which causes the Island to fall apart and for Locke to be mortal again. Jack and Kate kill Locke before the team separates – Kate and Sawyer joining Claire, Miles, Richard and not dead Frank on the Ajira plane off the Island. Ben and Hurley choose to stay and help Jack restore the light, causing him to die, leaving Hurley as the New Jacob with Ben as his number two and Desmond alive and able to return home.

The Flash Upwards was even simpler; each of the Losties gaining their epiphanies before heading to the church where Jack gained his epiphany and the central conceit of the Flash Upwards was revealed by Christian Shephard.

The job of recapping “The End” doesn’t seem so important as it did before – the story is fully told and we are no longer theorizing over potential outcomes but are now trying to understand and process the events and prescribing them meaning and significance. So rather than track through the various scenes and pick through the dialogue I’d rather look at the events of the finale in terms of meaning and significance – Okay? No? Well, tough.

The Island story worked on the premise of the mythology revealed during the rest of the season. The clearest description of the Island is that of a ‘cork’ that prevents evil and malevolence from corrupting and destroying mankind. The heart of the Island is the light at it’s source – when the light goes out the Island fails and the evil takes over. The smoke monster wasn’t the evil itself but the MIB had become an agent of this evil. I have no doubt  that he would have killed Penny, Charlie, Aaron, Walt, JiYeon etc. had he escaped from the Island. Or perhaps he wouldn’t have needed to – Was the implication of the light going out on the Island that it would also go out in the heart of every man, leaving mankind soulless, or without conscience, and the human race would have descended into anarchy, oblivion or armageddon?

So Jack’s death wasn’t for nothing – despite Locke’s suggestion moments before his own demise. It was sacrificial – literally for the good of all men. It kept alive the hope of redemption and progress for all people, allowing the rest of humanity to grow and be transformed like Jack himself had done during his Island experiences. The ‘Jack-as-Christ’ allusions have been there since “316”  – which was a rather blatant hint towards Jack’s destiny. He even seemed to receive a partial resurrection. He did not perish in the bowels of the Island but was transported to the spot where Jacob found his lifeless brother. There was enough energy and strength in the Doctor to stagger to his final resting spot – the place where his journey began, amongst the bamboo – to watch the plane fly over and for him to know that his mission, his purpose, was complete – he saved those he loved and all of humanity too.

The imagery and pacing of Jack’s death and sacrifice were beautiful. I found the final moments of the Island story to be everything I had hoped for; beautiful, moving and complete. What surprised me was how the rest of the Island story was resolved in the series but not in the LOST universe – with the Ajira 6 leaving and Ben & Hurley as Island leaders it left a mass of potential for future novels, comics and online stories – even film and TV spin offs. Whether or not ABC/Disney will cash in or honour the story told remains to be seen. But if Star Wars, Star Trek, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings etc. are anything to go by, we will be wooed into paying for more chunks of the LOST universe in the future. I had expected a more finite ending to the one we were given (basically a lot more deaths and for the Island to sink). Although I am a little nervous about future cash-ins and sub-standard LOST material I think having only 2 deaths in the finale and leaving the Island intact is a great move. The fact that the only people who died in “The End” were Jack and Locke – the story’s central characters – made their passing more poignant. They could have easily littered the finale with bodies as they have done in previous years – Rose & Bernard, Miles, Richard, even Desmond, could have died without a dramatic change to the story line – but they reserved the deaths for those crucial moments. A good choice that served the story well.

Daniel Faraday had set up the concept of the alternate timeline. His idea to reboot history – to stick a great big atomic variable in the middle of the river to divert history’s course – was the set up that made us believe the other world we have been watching all season was a different version of history to the one we have witnessed in the preceding five seasons. We now know that this was ‘The Long Con’ they have been building towards. The twist that this world was not an alternate reality but a realm of the afterlife has two consequences for the story. Firstly it causes us to reevaluate the whole ‘Flash Sideways’ story as a ‘Flash Upwards’ – the parallel tale of this other world has been an epilogue of the Island story – a narrative device to bring resolution to unresolvable story threads. Secondly it causes us to reinterpret the whole story, all six seasons, as a spiritual journey. Of course this has been alluded to from the very start – the first two episodes to follow the Pilot were ‘Tabula Rasa’ (the spiritual state that is represented by the clean slate opportunity of crashing on the Island) and ‘Walkabout’ (as Locke himself says – “a journey of spiritual renewal”). We’ve had Dharma wheels and statues of Mary and Bible verses and Churches and Christians, Catholics, Muslims and Namaste and Priests and Monks and ‘The 23rd Psalm’ and baptisms and so many more images of spirituality that I couldn’t possibly list them all.

The big thing is this: they are not allusions and references anymore – they are the story. The final scenes of “The End” put the whole story into a clearly spiritual framework. The spiritual side stopped being an element of the show and became the heart of the show. It became part of the narrative. It moved from being hinted at, to being talked about. It went from being in the background, to right at the forefront. The key other-world narrative structure of the final season was a spiritual premise. No longer a part of the story, it became the story. Because of this I want to spend some time delving into the theology revealed in the finale and what they are saying about the the afterlife, but more importantly, what they are saying about life itself.

The ‘Flash Upwards’ world is not purgatory – I think the show has been very clear, it is what you do in your life that counts. Those who aren’t ready yet stay as whispers on the Island – seemingly until they have paid some of their debt. The Island experiences of the castaways have been a metaphorical purgatory – they have sought and achieved redemption and release from their mistakes and destructive habits even, like Jack and Sayid, it is only really at the end of their lives they reach that place. The ‘Flash Upwards’ was about awakening and remembering not penitence and reconciliation.

The ‘Flash Upwards’ world is also not a limbo – though this idea goes closer than purgatory. Limbo was thought of as the place where people went they died prior to Jesus’ sacrifice, which made it possible to pass on to heaven. As we saw it, the last act on the Island, Jack’s sacrifice, is followed by the Losties moving on into the light. But it is Jack’s awakening that allows that, not his Christ-like sacrifice. The afterlife is not affected by Jack’s Island sacrifice – Sun, Jin, Sayid, Charlie etc. are still in the ‘Flash Upwards’ and they died before Jack’s final actions. So this realm is not the limbo of traditional thought.

The ‘Flash Upwards’ is also not a part of heaven. Not the heaven of Christian Theology anyway (though perhaps, Christian Shephard Theology!). What are we to make of the fact that the ‘Flash Upwards’ world was inhabited by Keamy, Mikhail, Omar and Anthony Cooper? Were they there to get a second chance that they failed to take? Or were they seeing out their cosmological destinies – dead and disabled? Or was this world only real for those who were in the Church? If so what about Ben, Alex, Rousseau, Helen, Nadia? Does Locke’s reveal to Jack – “You don’t have a son” apply to him too – “You don’t have a wife”? Or was this world only real for the survivors of Oceanic 815? If so why does Ana Lucia not get a ticket – she certainly reached a point of progression, growth and redemption before she died? Is it mid-section survivors only (plus Libby & Bernard who were romantically attached to Hurley and Rose)? Or was this just Jack’s collection of people – if so why did the other’s have to wake up? This is certainly not the your-in-by-grace or out-through-sin of Christian theology. Most importantly – any heaven where there is no all-loving & all-good God is no heaven at all.

In fact there can be no direct overarching explanation of this world from traditional religious beliefs – a fact rammed home to us by the statement making stain-glass window that dominated the final encounter between Jack and his father. All religions lead here. All are right and all are wrong. This is an important distinction in LOST because the story is more about spirituality than it is about theology. It is not about explanations but is about experiences.

The ‘Flash Upwards’ is what Christian Shephard said it is:

“Everyone dies sometime Kiddo… there is no ‘now’ here… this is the place you all made together so that you could find one another… the most important part of your life was the time you spent with these people, which is why all of you are here… nobody does it alone Jack… you needed all of them and they needed you… to remember and to let go…”

Even though the ‘Flash Upwards’ is a spiritual ream – the first plain of the afterlife – we are not shown this because the writers wanted to share their thoughts on life-after-death. We are shown it because of how our future existence and our spiritual nature change our lives before we die. Jack and Desmond describe this very thing when Des claims that ‘This doesn’t matter’ because he knows of the afterlife that awaits them. Jack strongly disagrees  – “All of this matters”. Life is not about where you end up when you die, it is about what you do now, the people you love, the difference you make, the good you do. The central premise of the entire show is this: ‘Live together, die alone”.

Amongst all the many themes that have made up the intricate tapestry of LOST, this one has been the centre. It is the characters themselves, their spiritual journeys and the community and relationships they formed which help them grow and progress and ultimately, find redemption. Nobody does it alone. No man is an Island. Sawyer, the man who defined ‘Every man for himself’, had precious little to do in the finale, save punching Ben in the face, stealing his gun and holding Kate’s hand. Whereas Jack the man who defined, ‘Live together, die alone’ had everything to do. He has the world to save.

As I’ve spent the last few days pondering the finale another thing has crossed my mind. The idea that ‘Nobody does it alone’ applies not just to our characters but also to the ‘Lost community’. We have all been enthralled with the events and characters of this epic saga and now we are in our own ‘Flash Upwards’ world – needing to process what has been, needing to find others, needing to remember, needing to let go. By writing and reading and commenting on this very article we are all engaging in our own awakenings and epiphanies. I’ve watched virtually every episode of this show alone with my wife. It has been a precious thing for us. There are others in my life, friends and family, particularly my sister, who I have spent six years debating and discussing every detail of the show with. And increasingly online I have engaged with many of you and many other recappers and bloggers and theorists. We all would have enjoyed this show alone, but it is has been infinitely better and special doing it together. Everyone else who engages with this story in the future will not have the privilege that we have had of working it out together. The final scenes will be on Youtube, the plot summary will be on Wikipedia and the key story parts will infiltrate popular culture so that no-one will be able to approach LOST with fresh eyes again.

LOST has meant a ridiculous amount to me. It has been brilliant escapism, diving into this universe and exploring it for six years. Yet it hasn’t been simply entertainment – it has been a door way into dozens of great books, particularly The Stand, The Dark Tower series, Slaughterhouse 5 and The Fountainhead. It has also upped my meagre level of education -  I know tons more about Roman, Greek and Egyptian myths and culture because I’ve trawled through Wikipedia seeking to understand the show a tiny bit more. There is so much I’m going to miss. I’ll even miss the hiatus.

So Jack’s eye has closed and the story is over. We are now in that place where we are learning to remember and let go together. I’m going to do some other posts over the next few weeks and months – including one on the visual imagery of LOST which I am really looking forward to. Thank you to everyone who made the show over the last six years. All of it mattered – it mattered to me.

JACK: “Where are we going?”

CHRISTIAN: “Let’s go find out”

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278 Responses to ““The End” thoughts by Gatesy”


  1. Marcus says:

    Excellent post! You’ve captured the essence of the show, and I agree that the LOST experience has been a great one thanks to people like yourself who have posted their thoughts and theories about all the great and exciting moments in LOST.

    I look forward to your next installment.

    “See you in another life, brother!”

  2. texgeekboy says:

    I too was enlightened by LOST. I will miss it dearly.

  3. B.A.Y. says:

    As you said, we have experienced Lost together, and, through that sharing, we have gained much insight. Not just into concepts explored by the show, but into ourselves and into what it means to be human.

    I am delighted that Lost, at its core, was a story about becoming enlightened. Heck, yeah, I’d appreciate a few additional episodes written to explain the mysteries of the island and what could have been accomplished if Dharma had been allowed to continue its experiments. I hope those explanations will come. There’s a whole bunch of fans who would pay to see more of the backstory.

    Lost took me and many fans on the fictional spiritual trip of our lives. I have been on such trips through books, mostly, and, to some degree, via StarTrek). But, for me, Lost has outdone all other religious experiences. Really. It has been more spiritually moving (God bless me for saying this) than anything I ever experienced before, including time spent in church and spiritual study groups.

    I am so, so grateful to this show and to its writers. And to you for writing about it. And to all the fans on Lost blogs for their insights.

  4. Chris says:

    It’s hard letting go…

    I had been waiting for your review and enjoyed it, as usual.

  5. Adam says:

    Fantastic post as always – I’ll miss your recaps too, y’know :)

    But I do want to comment because I’m surprised you’re buying into this “sideways as spiritual realm” thing. I find that explanation fairly unsatisfying and not at all necessary, for two reasons. First, it makes that world less real – as if the only souls existing in it are the ones in the church, with the rest (including David) just there as fodder for self-discovery, or something. Second, and more importantly, it completely separates the sideways from Juliet’s detonation of Jughead. Not only is this a bad storytelling move (we spent the whole damn hiatus wondering what it did and then they showed us 815 landing safely; not to mention Darlton said that what Juliet did would lead directly into their endgame), but it doesn’t jive with so many of the hints we’ve been given on the show: Faraday’s talking about the bomb detonation as the cause of that reality, and (especially!) Juliet’s “it worked.” I really doubt those were just misdirections from Damon and Carlton to throw us off the scent.

    Here’s how I see it. They *did* all make that place together so they could find one another – by detonating Jughead. Was that not the point of Jack’s plan to begin with? And so for some characters, like David, that’s the most real reality there is. I really believe he had a soul and consciousness, that actors with agency did things outside of the sight of our main characters, that for them, that was as real a universe as there was. For some, like Keamy, who were in both worlds but weren’t really involved in the detonation of Jughead or with the characters who were involved, it’s just as real as well – he’s in two separate realities as two separate people.

    But for our main characters, for the people who Jack tried to save by detonating Jughead, it wasn’t the most real. It was a universe created by *their* actions on the Island, and so for them their Island lives grew a special significance. So when everybody started having these “memories” of their Island lives, they realized they had already lived complete lives and were only in this place to rediscover the loved ones they had lost. The sideways doesn’t have to be an actual purgatory/spiritual realm in order to be one for them. It’s a completely real universe – just as real as ours – but once they remembered their Island lives, they saw no need to live out another life in the sideways. They’d already lived life, and now they’d found the people they were looking for.

    Meanwhile, in the sideways, life goes on as normal, though poor David’s an orphan (just like Ji Yeon in the Island world) and the world is left wondering why a bunch of people who were on the same flight mysteriously disappeared :)

    • Adam says:

      Phew! That wasn’t the best post ever but that got my basic points across… I’d be curious what people think. To me this is the most satisfying and sensible explanation that jives well with what we’ve seen on the show.

    • Ioannes says:

      I agree whole heartedly. I believe the “flash upwards” (beautiful phrase Gatesy!) were, truly, a world as real as the main show.
      I also believe there is enough evidence to infer a world *before* that story began. Each of the characters got to solve their issues on the island, and then they were the product of their karma “in the next life” after going through a Buddhist “rebirth”.
      The things that awoke them were their constants,which were tied to resolutions of their issues as well as love. Hence why Sayid ends up with Shannon – she was symbolic of the new start he craved, and only finally achieved with his ‘redemptive’ death.
      Ergo, the end of the story is main characters achieving Nirvana.

      • Adam says:

        Ooh, I like your take on the Shannon thing! Like many, I was perplexed by that as well, but yeah, Shannon – not Nadia – fits into Sayid’s redemption more than anyone.

        I’d also ask, for anyone who thinks this was *just* a spiritual world for the Island survivors, why they made a point of showing the Island at the bottom of the ocean in the first act of LA X. A symbolic gesture, maybe, but I think it’s much more likely it’s a sign that that’s really a physical world with a real island (possibly sunk by Jughead – maybe it even put the “light” out?).

        • Rams says:

          The Island being in the bottom of the Ocean is symbolic of them all being dead. No Light= no Life.

          • ninjaraiden2k says:

            I agree. I thought it was reminicent to what “Mother” said in “Across the Sea”. That the “Source/Light” was Life, Death and Rebirth.

            I thought the Island timeline was the “Life” stage of the cycle, the “Flashsideways” was the “Death” portion of the cycle as evidenced by the Island’s “death” at the bottom of the ocean.

            And finally, the “Light” enveloping the characters into the “Rebirth” phase of the cycle.

            With time not existing there, I thought that the Flashsideways was the “Source” itself with the “Light” inside of humanity rejoining to reboot existence into whatever form it will become.

          • Ioannes says:

            I’d prefer to think that this was just a quirk of thematic interpretation rather than actual foreshadowing. The Light still exists beneath the ocean, but all of the Good – as well as all of the bad, it inspires can never take place just because it’s so damned hard for people to get there again. Ever.

            One of the reasons I’m so dogmatically opposed to the Purgatory/Waiting Room interpretation is just that this has had no set up what-so-ever. It comes completely out of the blue within the last ten minutes, which is one of the reasons many people are so furious about it.

            If, as I ( and seemingly Adam) prefer to interpret it, both realities are equally as real then all the allusions to a multiverse, the Constants and the Variables aren’t in vain. “Flash-upwards” was a purgatory, but it was a real reality. So was the Island reality. The “Flash-upwards” was affected by events in the ‘before’ Island show, and the Island show was affected by events in another “before” universe.

          • Ioannes says:

            To clarify upon some of my interpretations of the evidence:

            I believe Libby was aware of a previous life in the “Flash-upwards” and was also aware of a previous life in the main show – yet she came to dismiss it after extensive psychiatric help.

            I believe that Walt was basically the main show’s equivalent of David. We could debate forever if he was real or not, yet both existed and helped their fathers through their respective issues… except Michael failed.

            I believe Eloise Hawking was awake to a previous iteration of reality both times, but didn’t want to “move on” to nirvana just yet. As it seems pretty clear from the “Flash-upwards” that the family was Hawking/Widmore and son Daniel – and whilst they remained together in the “flash-upwards” (A stable family and an oppotunity to play the doting housewife and socialite, exactly what Eloise had always wanted?), in the main universe, after Widmore’s off-island affair was exposed they drifted apart: Widmore raising the daughter acquired by that relationship, and Eloise taking Daniel. When Widmore was worried that his daughter would cease to exist, is this what he meant? Was she a person that should never have happened – like David?
            Or, given the amount of “You’re not supposed to be together Sun and Jin” like Ji Yeon?

          • Scottk says:

            No Light= no Life

            “If the light goes out here, it goes out everywhere.”

            “Everyone you know will cease to exist.”

            Your premise and these quotes would lead one to the final conclusion that the sideways world was actually created by the Losties exploding Jughead and that the sideways is what Matthew Fox said on Jimmy Kimmel:

            Fox says,”There are also religiions that believe that when you die you go to a place, and that place can last for a nanosecond or it can be an extended period of time where you have to remember your own death and all of the people who were instrumental–that you loved the most, and helped you the most, and were the most important to you. You have to remember all of them and, in remembering them, lead up to the moment you died…before you can move on to what comes next.”

            So, in the sideways:

            -Jughead exploded.

            -The island sank.

            -The Light at the heart of the island extinguished.

            -The Light extinguished EVERYWHERE.

            -EVERYONE (not just the Losties) “ceased to exist” (died).

            -All mankind goes to this afterlife place that Matthew Fox spoke of. (That would be why there is a full world of people in the sideways.)

            -It is a place created by the Losties.

            -And there everyone has to Remember and Let Go before moving on.

            Ta Da!

          • Ioannes says:

            That’s pretty morbid, Scottk!

            Besides – what happens to the rest of the on-Island story, post-Jughead?

      • gatesy815 says:

        I think the rebirth theme is definitely there – Mother definitely references it as being in the light cave. And in the finale Aaron was literally reborn!

    • The_Magician says:

      I completely agree with this, Adam. I didn’t like the idea of the ALT as a spiritual world, but rather a very ‘glitchy’ alternate one, which was indeed created by jughead.

      As I have mentioned elsewhere, I believe that when people die in the island time-line, their consciousness’s ‘shift’ across to the ALT. Once everyone has dies in the ALT, I believe that it will collapse/implode.

      Of course, some people will disagree but it’s the answer that I’m accepting – as you said, it makes the whole jughead detonation relevant and vital and is far more ‘Lost-ian’.

    • Ament says:

      About the memories aspect of this, when they flashed through Jack’s after he touched the coffin, they showed his memory of his last living moment with Kate which was on the cliff before her and Sawyer jumped. So wouldn’t it mean that the memory exists therefore it is real?

  6. Rams says:

    Great post, as always! Looking forward to reading more of your thoughts.

  7. Beena says:

    Thanks for the lovely post!

  8. Barnes (#17) says:

    I never missed an episode. Like yourself, my wife and I were there each and every Wednesday, Thursday, Tuesday and one Sunday. I remember watching an episode while I was in Russia. Dubbed in Russian except for Sun and Jin’s dialogue which was subtitled in Russian. It did’nt matter. During season one I was on the east coast of Canada and my wife was back home (in central Canada, Ontario actually). It was Wednesday. I watched the show in the hotel and when the show was over I called my wife and we talked about it. It seemed that every time we went out with friends the topic of LOST would come up. At work the same thing. I found myself a wee bit embarrassed realizing that a television show meant so much to me. Our faith in the story was tested, twisting but fascinating plots, long, long breaks between seasons etc., and yet I remained loyal. I remember when I received my vanity licence plates for my vehicle, LOST 815. Along with Dharma emblems in the interior of my car it has attracked many curious fans with cameras, questions, smiles, waves. I am amazed by the fandom created by this series. Will we ever see the likes of it again? Even though the series is over it is far from leaving the hearts and imaginations of millions and millions of fans around the world. I am proud to be one of those fans. I am not embarrassed anymore to wear one of my many LOST related t-shirts out an about, my licence plates, Dharma patches, quoting dialogue every chance I get, on and on. And I can’t tell you how I felt when my name was on the lighthouse dial. I was a candidate. It just seemed right. Looking forward to many years of rewatching, analyzing, finishing the LOST library and chat groups.

    LONG LIVE LOST

    J

  9. Very good anthologies, can’t get enough of this show! They leave you hungry for more LOST…

    btw, they are replaying the finale on ABC tonight from 8-10!!!
    Pacific Time

  10. twoods says:

    Pleaseeeeeeee…they’re dead. Always have been. Just bc Christian says 2 words about life doesn’t mean anything. They’re dead. Always have been.

  11. LaFleur Me says:

    Adam -I believe you are wrong about Jughead. It did not detonate or the characters would have been pushed back to the original 815 (as Farraday suggested) or died. what happened was that melt-down that Dharma had begun continued, throwing our Losties into 2007. They all had the same disorientation, ringing in their ears as the last time the sky turned purple (the hatch melt-down in 2004). Also the site looked exactly as it had after Desmond turned the key.
    If you re-watch Juliet’s death season in Ep 1 of this season and follow the dialouge it is almost exactly what is said at the vending machine, ncluding “It Worked” (meaning unplugging the machine to get the candy) the rest of the dialouge is almost word for word from her death scene.
    I think it is clear that many of the “Upwards” people did NOT exist -why was Helen not at Locke’s side for the surgery? If this timeline started with Jughead, how could already dead characters come back? I do think it was a place they all put together- including the supporting players. How it all worked -who knows?

    Two last thoughts on the fun side – watching Desmond gun down poor defensleless Mr. Locke makes so much more sense now -since Desmond knew he couldn’t kill him as he was already dad -and I LOVED Jin’s smirk as he called Sawyer “DET. Ford” as if to say -”Oh, you made yourself a cop” -funny and fun.

    Love this show -will always love it -flaws and all.

    • Glue your eyelids says:

      This. The incident was due to the EM anomaly – if Jughead exploded half of the island would have been blown away… especially Juliet herself.

      • The White Rock says:

        Not necessarily so “Glue”, because the nuclear explosion was simply going to “neutralize” the massive negative energy pocket they were drilling to. So instead of a huge mushroom cloud with catastrophic damage, you get something alot more benign but with alot of temporal distortion.

        • Beena says:

          That was my take on that, too. The bomb went off, but was neutralized. If you go back and watch season 5 now that the whole series is over, you realize that this was the one thing Faraday was wrong about…that the bomb would make it like they never landed on the island.

          • Handsome Smitty says:

            What happened, happened. Faraday wishing otherwise, was symptomatic of the show’s theme of letting go. He wanted to save Charlotte so badly he thought he could change time.

            Can’t. Be. Done.

    • kasi says:

      That pretty much sums it up for me. This was my take, as well.

    • Henry Holland says:

      Love this show -will always love it -flaws and all

      Hell yeah. In time, the disappointment I had with the last two seasons will fade, I’ll remember how mind-blowing the first 4 were and I’ll always be in awe of Michael Emerson creating one of the very best characters ever on TV out of what was supposed to be a 3-episode guest starring role.

  12. drew says:

    Adam-
    I think the remark about Juliet’s actions tying into the endgame was pretty accurate, if a little intentionally misleading. The “It worked”, line tied into the “flash upwards” in relation to the vending machine instead of Jughead.

  13. What a moving and beautiful account of the LOST series! I do felt drawn to the series, not only by their “six degrees of separation” throughout the story; but the hidden story line, ever so evident in each of the episodes!

    I don’t think that there has ever been anything quite like it….it was NOT just a story, with a sci-fi premise….it was much, much more. Fly safe broth a….fly safe into the night.

    On a personal level, I would love to see a special called; “After the Island” LOST which recounts what happened in the inbetween times, and to how Desmond escaped the island, and what happened to Hurley and Ben….wouldn’t that be something to look forward too!

    • Christian says:

      I don’t think we need to know how Desmond returned home but Michael Emerson (who plays Benjamin Linus) has revealed that there will indeed be a stand-alone 12-14min epilogue about Hurley and Ben’s time protecting the Island on the Season 6 DVD/BluRay and Complete Collection. It may even include an appearance from Walt and the Hurley Bird.

  14. Henry Holland says:

    I have always loved the spiritual part of the story but for it to finish on a purely spiritual note – that was bold and fearless storytelling. I am still shocked actually

    In America, 2010, there is NOTHING “bold and fearless” about ending the story on a spiritual note. With the power the god botherers have here, it’s totally predictable and almost seems like pandering; maybe in far more secular England, where the church is ignored, it might seem that way. What would have been “bold and fearless” is to propose that once your heart stops that’s it, you cease to exist through all space and time, there is no afterlife or glowing light to walk towards, just the endless void of death.

    • The_Magician says:

      Well put, Henry.

    • dd says:

      Have any of you noticed that ghosts have been appearing since the first season?

    • CC says:

      How incredibly bleak, I feel sorry for you.

      • BNJM says:

        “Bleak” is ending a once colorful, vibrant, and life-filled story full of rich, layered characters in a drab, dreary sideways world with all the characters reduced to mere sheep.

        And that’s coming from someone who does believe in a higher power and an afterlife.

        • a_tape_dispenser says:

          Hmmm – I really didn’t see it as drab or dreary. They all got further opportunities to work through their issues, accept their flaws, embrace their real lives, and see one another again. And sheep? They seemed like the same complex people to me, only once they remembered their true lives, most were content and ready to accept their real lives/deaths rather than continue to live in a secondary reality.

          I can get not being a fan of the idea, and that’s fine – but if anything it allowed a positive spin to be put on all the death and sacrifice that occurred in the original (real) timeline. I think, if anything, what was a mistake here was for the writers to tease everyone with the happier ending of having everyone transfer their consciousness over to the Sideways and continue to live on “Happily Ever After” there. Expectations were so high for a happy ending in the Sideways, that revealing it as a temporary stop on the way to accepting death was a good bit cruel. Of course if that had happened, then many would have complained it was a copout for them to be able to escape the consequences of the original timeline, and that much of the sacrifice in the original timeline would have been for nothing since they had an alternate reality to escape to. So I’m glad at least that the Sideways revelation allowed the main timeline events to be real and fully impactful.

          I think the main hiccup in the way things were presented is that the finale would have worked better if they’d given this revelation a bit earlier on rather than in the last ten minutes. That way it would have felt less “got’cha!” and a bit more organic. Plus the on-island events would have had even more tension if we knew that these events were the only lives these people have got.

    • Insulted says:

      Yay to Henry! Yay to The_Magician! Yay to BNJM!

  15. To anyone questioning if they were dead on the island, just find interviews from the creators and writers of this scripted show, they tell you flat out, the island was REAL and they were all ALIVE. Not too much to argue there.

    We never found out why Hugo’s nickname is “Hurley” as he told Jack, “I ain’t gonna tell ya”.

  16. [...] In America, 2010, there is NOTHING “bold and fearless” about ending the story on a spiritual note. With the power the god botherers have here, it’s totally predictable and almost seems like pandering; maybe in far more secular England, where the church is ignored, it might seem that way. What would have been “bold and fearless” is to propose that once your heart stops that’s it, you cease to exist through all space and time, there is no afterlife or glowing light to walk towards, just the endless void of death. [...]

  17. Jack's Beard says:

    Great article, but everytime you write ‘Flash Upwards’ I can’t help but read ‘Flash Up-yours’. So, I’m just gonna call it ‘Afterlife’. You should too.

  18. katesfriend says:

    Great article, enjoyed reading. For me “the end” was everything it should be…done finished.

    What I keep seeing over and over is when Vincent came out of the bamboo grove to lay down with Jack, Vincent made sure Jack didn’t die alone..

    Whats important here is that it doesn’t matter rather or not if you liked/didn’t like the ending, it’s the fact these comments and forums are still active and everyone is still talking about the story of LOST.

  19. Kent says:

    Obviously, it was important for the character to learn to just let go in order to move on, but I’ve been having trouble doing the same.

    After trying to reconcile the fact that Sideways World turned out to be more ‘purgatorial’ than anything on the island (and evidently all of the characters had to wake up to the fact that they were all dead) I thought of something they could have done to really tie the two worlds together nicely (maybe the producers can work this idea into the DVD). ;)

    After Desmond pulled the plug on the island, and the water drained out and the place started to turn into a devil-red-tinted hell on earth, it might have been effective to also show the gathering of Sideways souls experiencing the same sort of earthquake-like destruction coming upon them in their world (yeah, I know there was no ‘now’ there, but bare with me).

    After all, throughout the entire series – with the entering of the numbers to the importance of protecting the Glowy Cave from evil – then once Desmond pulled that plug and the island started to deteriorate, it might have been a nice touch showing the same effect happening in Sideways World – culminating in the characters in the church being subject to possibly facing the same devil-red glow in the island cave for eternity (or wherever/whenever they were headed). Then, when Jack saves the day and plugs the island’s drain again, they could have shown the gathering at the church in Sideways World changing back from devil-red glow to white-light goodness for them to pass into.

    That would have made Jack’s sacrifice all the more powerful, and also shown some importance of his actions in the other ‘realities’ that Lost presented to us so effectively over the years.

    Still, I loved the ending they did present to us and thought it was very satisfying. I’m really gonna miss this show!

  20. The Mantis says:

    Your idea would make sense if the events in the “Upwards” were happening at the same time as the events on the Island, but they were happening much later than that. Which I realize in itself is an irrelevant statement because time means nothing in that existence. I just assume you’re predicating this on the idea the “Upwards” was more of an “alternate time line” which it wasn’t.

    Also, what other “realities” were we shown over the years? I don’t get it… The flashbacks/forewords were not other realities… Seriously?

    • Kent says:

      Well, the other realities I was referring to were…relatively speaking, I guess. I considered the flashbacks and the flashforwards to be reality for these characters, didn’t you?

      I guess the idea of the events happening on the island (pulling the cork) also having an effect in the Flash-Upwards World could happen if you take it one step forward and realize that if time means nothing in that ‘existence’, then everything could also be happening at the same…moment (taking ‘time’ out of the equation altogether). Again, that would tie the Island World and Upwards World together in an interesting way.

      • The Mantis says:

        I get what you’re saying, and you have a point with the “time meaning nothing there” making it somewhat plausible. And yeah, the flashes were reality. That’s why I didn’t understand the “other realities” thing, there were no “other” realities, just before, on and after the Island.

  21. PJBubbles says:

    The first time I watched “The End”, I had no emotional reaction to the conclusion, although the moments of revelation and re-connection of characters in the flash-sideways had me almost in tears. I liked how it ended on the island with the full circle of jack on the ground in the bamboo forest with Vincent, but the explanation of the flash-sideways didn’t work for me. However, I’ve just watched it again, and tears were streaming down my face at the end. It all made sense, it was a perfect ending. People who complain that mythology questions still weren’t answered miss the point of the show. The Island, the hatch, the others, Jacob and MIB, etc…all of that were just vehicles to drive the characters and their interactions. It was always about the people and their lives togther, apart, etc., finding themselvesand “letting go”. Besides, even if unanswered questions were frustrating, I always enjoyed the ride. A brilliant show, never to be repeated and it will be greatly missed.

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  23. Thanks for that beautiful post. I agree especially about the way that LOST can draw people together – I really got to know some of the people who are now my best friends by watching LOST with them. It’s been amazing.

    Thanks for confirming that the flash-upwards (I love that phrase!) isn’t really purgatory and isn’t really limbo. It DOES bear some resemblance to the Swedenborgian idea of the “World of Spirits” (see my blog post at http://colemanglenn.wordpress.com/2010/05/26/the-last-lost-contains-spoilers/), but I certainly don’t think the writers intended that. The afterlife was exactly what a LOST afterlife should be – it was all about the love the characters had for each, and all about the fact that they were redeemed.

  24. sabrina says:

    I really enjoyed the post. Thanks.

  25. AlwaysLost says:

    Great article!! Felt it was a great ending as well :) I do feel bad about the people that will not get to experience LOST with fresh eyes and the community, in life or online, to discuss the show each week or over the hiatuses. That has also made me love and enjoy the show infinitely more here too!

  26. Insulted says:

    You totally missed the point if you think there was no science in the show whatsoever. This show was not just about spirituality. The writers screwed up the ending by deciding to ignore the science and make the ending only about spirituality.

    You said, “Those who aren’t ready yet stay as whispers on the Island.” That is not what the writers stated. The whispers are people who have done very bad things on the island, like murder someone, and cannot leave the island ever.

    A friend of mine recently emailed me this which is exactly how I feel about the Lost finale:

    The more I sit and think about Lost, the angrier I get. And not just at the lazy, fumbling, dishonest writers, but at the sanctimonious jerks who are blogging that if you don’t “get” the ending, then, dammit, you’re just a moron.

    Yeah, sure. I’m more of the science-minded type. But that doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate a fine fairy tale, as long as that story stays true to the rules it has created for itself. I loved “Star Wars.” All that “Force is with you” and “I am not you father” stuff. I ate that up.

    Why? Because George Lucas was honest to the story that he was creating. The Star Wars story had rules it lived by. Rules.

    In the end, Lost had no Rules. And, I’m not talking about the Island’s Rules. Or rules about the flash forwards. Or rules about the Smoke Monster. Or rules about Kate’s tank tops. (Mmmmm… Tank Tops…)

    I’m talking about Storytelling Rules.

    You can’t have Farraday’s mother kill him EVEN BEFORE HE WAS BORN, and then not even begin to address the repercussions of that event. That, in and of itself, is enough of a premise for a six season, 120-episode television series on ABC.

    Only, I’d never waste my time watching it, because I’m sure the writers would just screw that up too.

    And that, my friends, is the biggest casualty to the whole Lost saga. I will never invest my time in watching one of these open-ended, mythological, puzzle-solving shows again. I can’t trust the creative minds that invent these stories to have the problem-solving skills to get themselves out of the dramatic and logical corners they’ve painted themselves into.

    But I digress…

    It’s not the actual ending of Lost that I object to. I don’t mind getting all touchy-feely when I’m moved. (“It’s a Wonderful Life”? It’s a wonderful movie!)

    But Lost spent six years splitting the difference between Science and Faith. In the end, they ignored 50% of their own story’s premise. This is poor storytelling. And that is why I am unsatisfied.

    The writers’ problem is, if they had just concentrated on the Faith part, then we might have ended up with another “Saved by an Angel,” and really, one of those was enough.

    So, they dangled this other element in front of us. And I took the bait. Now, some bloggers are whining that I shouldn’t have bothered getting involved in that Science stuff. Because, they say, at its heart, Lost is a story about Faith. All that other stuff really didn’t matter. And I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT. So quit moaning about the ending. It was beautiful.

    Grrrrr. How am I supposed to “know” anything when they beat me over the head week after week, telling me Lost is about Science vs. Faith. Not just Faith. But “Science Versus Faith”. Science = Half the Freaking Plot. Then it is jettisoned because it became too cumbersome to resolve.

    Don’t get angry with me because I want to hold the writers accountable to the story THEY CREATED. I’m not the one who put Walt on the island. I didn’t conjure up the temple. I didn’t make the island disappear.

    If the writers can’t step up to the plate and deal with major structural shortcomings in their story, why shouldn’t I have the right to be dissatisfied with that story.

    I truly wish I had loved the ending. But, they simply didn’t earn it.

    For everyone who thinks I’m stupid because I don’t buy into the Kumbaya ending, and therefore have no soul, let’s look at another fantastical story which, as it turns out, wrapped up its loose ends quite nicely. A story I love:

    The “Wizard of Oz.” Talk about a Sideways world. Dorothy and her dog teleport to a magical land of wonder and witches. And how does it end? Turns out she got bonked on the head in the tornado and dreamed up the whole freakin’ thing. Everything within the entire story stays true to itself. Has ANYONE ever complained about that ending? No. Tight story. Great storytelling.

    Jack as Dorothy. I kinda like it.

    That’s why I’m partial to the theory that everything happened only in Jack’s mind just as he’s about to die. I know that’s not the intent of the writers, but at least all my questions can be resolved as the hallucinations of a dying man. And frankly, I’m doing the writers a major favor leaning toward this theory. It gets them out of countless jams.

    So, I say Boo to the finale of Lost.

    • John Locke says:

      Hey man, it’s just a TV series.. & the greatest TV show ever.. & it’s ending.. quit your complaining & just enjoyed it, for the last time! You need to let go.. :p

      • Andrew G. says:

        No, YOU quit your complaining. If you don’t like reading opinions that differ from yours, then the Internet is clearly not a place for you.

        • imfromthefuture says:

          NO YOU QUIT COMPLAINING!!! if you dont like reading someone telling you to quit complaining then the internet is not the place for YOU either..

          • jimmyzer00 says:

            Regardless, this was the most valid complaint that I’ve read, and well executed. I somewhat agree, but as of right now I liked the finale well enough.

    • Beena says:

      Since this show has always had spiritual aspects that coexisted with science, why would someone just be getting bent out of shape about the spiritual aspects now? I don’t think the spiritual aspects of this show have ever negated the scientific approaches its also taken, or vice versa.

      And although I do consider myself a “believer” and a spiritual person, I agree with you that it’s just as possible that as Jack was lying there dying, he was fantasizing about “heaven” and his friends surrounding him as a means of comforting himself. I think the ending was deliberately ambiguous, and open to some interpretation. Since that is what was done all along on LOST…

      • Insulted says:

        @Beena: Re your comment: “Since this show has always had spiritual aspects that coexisted with science, why would someone just be getting bent out of shape about the spiritual aspects now?”

        Because the ending completely ignored all of the scientific aspects, as stated above, and even negated them as though they might well have never existed. It instead chose to be one big spiritual Kumbaya that didn’t wrap up any of the scientific key plot points that needed to be addressed. The 6-season show was 50% science, 50% spirituality. The ending, however, was 100% spirituality, 0% science. Or, let’s just call that Bad Writing 101. English teachers in colleges are having a field day with this one. It’s called, “How Not To Write Your Novel.” Don’t do this with your novel’s characters, kids. Don’t make them all interesting and then just, well, kill them off without explaining any of your reasons why you did this or this … and well, I already went there; please refer to my above post about Daniel Faraday and his mother who KILLED HIM BEFORE HE WAS EVEN BORN.

        @Beena who said: “I don’t think the spiritual aspects of this show have ever negated the scientific approaches it’s also taken, or vice versa.”

        You would have thought that, yes, but clearly the writers disagreed with you by ignoring the show’s entire scientific and mythological history in the syrupy, sappy, spiritual ending which I guess works for most people who believe in an afterlife, I suppose because it makes one feel a lot more warm and fuzzy than the far more likely possibility that we just die and turn to dust and remember nothing.

        I, for one, do not confuse faith — faith in oneself, faith in life — with “faith” as in religion. So for me throughout watching Lost it was not an argument about science versus faith as in “religious” faith. It was an argument about science versus faith as in having faith in something intangible — not necessarily a god. I loved the arguments within Lost about Science versus Faith and I clearly saw Jack struggle with how easily Locke seemed to have faith in the island, and I knew Jack wanted to have that faith too, and I wanted him to have it. I did, however, not confuse that faith with any sort of religious faith. Having the faith in oneself to move a mountain, or to take on a task, or to take a great LEAP of faith, is the kind of faith that I meant. And that is the kind of faith that I felt that Jack was searching for, and that is the kind of faith I felt that Locke had found. So I felt that was a type of “spirituality” if you want to call it that, but it has zero to do with religion or gods or an afterlife, as I am an atheist.

        And just because I can relate to having faith in something, or in oneself, doesn’t mean I want the writers to suspend all of the scientific plot points and puzzle pieces they put together for us over the past six years only to throw them into the ocean and ignore them for the final episode and only focus on the spiritual, turning the final episode into one giant Touched by an Angel episode.

        • Hey, Insulted, while I completely agree with your summation of the end of LOST and I too was profoundly disappointed in not only the ending but the entire 6th Season, I find your repeated complaint about Faraday’s mother killing him before he was born confusing. You do remember the time traveling right?

          • Beena says:

            I just re-watched all of season 5, and the dynamic between Daniel and his Mom is just so bizarre (even a second time around of watching). She lets him go to the island, knowing that her younger self will kill him. And she does it all in the name of destiny, and believing that you can’t change that. Their story is also so wrapped up in Jughead. It is only some time right before the end of the episode “The Incident” that Miles gives us the voice of reason, that maybe the Losties are actually going to be the cause of the very thing they are trying to prevent (the incident). And not so surprising, the bomb does not prevent the plane from having crashed, and Faraday had that one all wrong.

        • dd says:

          You didn’t get it.

          The end didn’t negate anything scientific.

          • milo says:

            Maybe not “negate’ but it certainly dumped the whole scientific side of things after giving them tons of screen time. And it’s not like it resolved the scientific aspects of the show, more like they were just dumped and they hoped the audience didn’t remember how central they were earlier in the story.

          • dd says:

            No. Nothing was dumped. It is consistent with the narrative in theme and point of view.

          • milo says:

            Was that a response to my post? If so, did you even read what I wrote? When giant plotlines are never mentioned again, that’s a problem with storytelling – maybe you wouldn’t call it “dumped” but it seems an apt description to me.

          • bplenc says:

            no Milo, again, its just that FAITH won out in the end.

            dharma tried to figure it out scientifically – so did Faraday – so did Jack to a degree…but they couldn’t…because how can you?

            science was always there. so was faith. faith won in the end.

    • Henry Holland says:

      I will never invest my time in watching one of these open-ended, mythological, puzzle-solving shows again. I can’t trust the creative minds that invent these stories to have the problem-solving skills to get themselves out of the dramatic and logical corners they’ve painted themselves into

      It got canceled, but the show FlashForward seemed to have been aware of some of the problems LOST had and laid out the main mystery of the show –what caused the blackout– halfway through the first season. But it still fell in to some of the same traps: introducing characters that then get killed off just as they were about to reveal stuff, mawkish love stuff and too many main characters to serve their stories properly.

    • Amen. They didn’t earn that ending.

      • dd says:

        That’s rubbish, dude. The thematics of the ending had been well established long before season six.

        • Beena says:

          I have been doing some re-watching now that we’ve seen the end, and from some bonus features on the second season dvd set as well as many earlier episodes, they indicated where they were heading with the show (of course, they couldn’t reveal everything in glaring detail at that point because that would have ruined everything). But things really come into focus much better by going back and re-watching, when you now already know the ending!

        • What I mean is an ending is earned if it is inevitable. That ending could have been tacked on to any character driven drama. Brothers and Sisters could use that exact ending if they wanted to end the show. Have Flockhart’s character die of cancer and then reunite in the afterlife with all the people she loved.
          For five years Lost has been about some people on an Island. An earned ending would have served both of those aspects of the show, the people and the Island.
          It would have been fine to end the show with Jack saving the day and dying as a result. The final shot with Jack closing his eyes was awesome and was earned.
          They could have even had the whole afterlife aspect, that was fine, if a little hokey.
          Where they completely and utterly failed was by relegating the story that they spent the last five years developing to a subplot of the finale and ultimately the entire 6th Season. The show was about people on an Island. We learn about the people, and the Island, ultimately learning about Jacob and the MiB. Only to have that whole plot fumbled one yard from the goal line.
          It was amateurish, it was infuriating, and it sucked. It rendered the memory of the entire show meaningless to me.

          • Henry Holland says:

            It would have been fine to end the show with Jack saving the day and dying as a result. The final shot with Jack closing his eyes was awesome and was earned

            When he’s stumbling through the forest and comes across the shoe is when I lost it, just gave in to finality of it all. Perfect way to end the show.

            Getting to that point however! :-)

            Only to have that whole plot fumbled one yard from the goal line

            Hahahah, well put. I just felt like the whole faith v. science thing was a loaded game, the science aspect of it got shortchanged.

          • a_tape_dispenser says:

            It can’t be rendered completely meaningless – you’re here discussing it! :)

            I guess I have trouble seeing how the story that was developed over the years was relegated to a subplot this season. Each season has had a different central villain/mystery (that progressed out of the previous season’s central villain/mystery) and to me this seemed to continue fine in Season 6. Survivors (S1) < Dharma (S2) < The Others (S3) < Widmore (S4) < Destiny (S5) < Jacob/MIB (S6)

            The show was still about people on an Island; the "war" Widmore foreshadowed last year came to pass; everyone took sides; the good guys won but not without heavy casualties and sacrifice. Works for me! And all along (as I talk about in my post below), we have themes of mankind trying to comprehend the unknown (through science, religion, etc.), but ultimately the guy who saves mankind has to just trust that he's doing the right thing in the face of unknowable power.

            I can see that maybe the Sideways world seems unconnected to this, but I would say two things make it a uniquely 'LOST' story (in addition to how well it matches the usual 'flash-_____' narrative device): 1) The show is about an Island which houses the electromagnetically-charged energy that makes up life and death – the very energy the Sideways timeline is made of. 2) I'm still not convinced the Sideways timeline WASN'T the result of Jack and Co. attempting to alter the past during the Incident. I honestly see no reason not to think that, unless you simply don't want to.

          • imfromthefuture says:

            For the show to have become meaningless to you is utterly riduclous.. i would say that although i loved how lost finished.. i understand everyones gripes.. my personal change of the heaven would have been for the flashsideways world to be a reset poitn.. i full expected jack to immediately wake back up at the begining of the series after they had all met in the flash sideways with the chance to do it all aover again right.. hence all the locke “your not supposed to do this stuff”.. imfromthepast.. change ur name to imfromthejerk.. cause tahts what you are..

          • dd says:

            Jack closing his eyes was the ending.

            You know, “uughghg I’m dying,” then Jack dies, and then that whole black screen LOST thing.

            If you guys think “science vs faith” was short changed, you really weren’t paying attention.

          • BNJM says:

            Would have been awesome if Sawyer took a massive dump in the Ajira lavatory and flushed just as they flew over Jack. Splat.

          • @ imfromthefuture:
            “imfromthepast.. change ur name to imfromthejerk.. cause tahts what you are..”

            Great comeback Costanza.

    • a_tape_dispenser says:

      The show was still very much about science, dude – it’s just that in the end, faith won the battle. The show was all about science’s attempts to understand/process/control the Island’s energy – mankind’s many different reactions to the unknown/unknowable. But it all came down to a man (Jack) just having to accept that he couldn’t grasp it scientifically and hence had to do something that seemed crazy to him (put a big stone cork back in a hole) and just trust that it was meaningful (that it actually saved mankind). It’s the button-pushing of Season 2 but on a MUCH larger scale.

      Whether the flash-sideways was something spiritual (the writers’ interpretation of what the afterlife is like) or scientific (an anomalous course correction caused by The Incident) is up to viewer interpretation. I’m with you in that I like the show’s balance of science vs. faith (some of each) so I prefer to think of the sideways as how it’s literally presented in the show – the result of the Incident – rather than chuck what we knew of it early on in the season just because everyone was able to remember their WHOLE lives from the original (non-anomalous) timeline and disappear from the anomalous one. When Jack says “I died” he’s remembering his whole real life including his death. So it’s not necessarily that “he’s been dead” in the Sideways the whole time, it’s that he’s realized that he’s living in an artificially created (fake) world and that his real life has already been lived in its full elsewhere. And so he (and the others waiting for him) “move on” together. And where precisely do they go? Left completely open – and wisely so. Even Henry Holland (poster above) can enjoy thinking they flashed into an endless void of nothingness.

      I think much of the knee-jerk reaction in dismissing the scientific origin of the flash-sideways is simply a response to the heavy-handed amount of traditional religious iconography used in the church scene. Personally, I’d have preferred them to use a different setting just so they wouldn’t have been so “obvious” in their faith imagery. But the church WAS still appropriate being where Jack planned to have Christian’s funeral and really just a universally acknowledged port of death. So while I wish that last bit had been handled a bit more carefully, less heavy-handed, I really don’t see it hurting the show as a whole that much. It was still a great show to me which included a lot insight into the nature of the Island’s energy without narrowing it down to precise terms, and also gave us a lot of insight into science’s attempts to understand the energy and how it could be utilized through science. It’s just that at the end of the run, the show had Jack choose to “push the button” of his own accord without full knowledge of a power source that thwarted all of science’s attempts to understand/utilize it. Cool story.

      • Henry Holland says:

        Even Henry Holland (poster above) can enjoy thinking they flashed into an endless void of nothingness

        Yes, that aspect of it was well done. Totally agree about the heavy-handed use of religious iconography, not because I’m a total atheist, but because usually the show was more subtle and ambiguous than that.

      • dd says:

        This dude gets it.

        The iconography was also present as a way of wrapping up what we have seen multiple times throughout the story: different faiths used as an interpretation of something that wasn’t well understood (Island energy and its relation to electromagnetism).

        LOST never directly sides with “science” or faith. “Science vs faith” has always been a terrible way to even describe the conflict. “Skepticism” is a much better choice of words.

      • The_Magician says:

        If you believe the ALT world was not spiritual and was in fact created by Jughead (to escape from there being a time paradox back in 77), then the show came down on the side of science.

        • dd says:

          If you believe that, you weren’t paying attention to the fact the bomb was not detonated.

          The epilogue story does not conflict with science– it only cannot be explained by science as we know it. Faraday said something interesting about this in season five. I’ll leave it up to you to find it.

          • a_tape_dispenser says:

            I seriously don’t think we can say whether the bomb was detonated or not. Faraday thought that if you created a big enough obstacle for the flow of time to overcome that you might be able to change the past. Time proved him wrong by course-correcting so that in that big blast of electromagnetic energy and nuclear power, the timeline was split and the “changed” past was shunted into the Sideways world that existed outside of time with events proceeding as if the past had been changed (Island sunk, differences from 1977 onward, etc.) It was an artificial, false reality and the character became aware of this and by doing so were able to leave it. Meanwhile in the true, original timeline they contributed to the Incident and led to their own plane crash.

            I can certainly see how someone can disconnect the Sideways world from Jughead by simply saying the bomb didn’t detonate, and that’s a fine theory too, but there’s more than enough indicators in the show to make the bomb-detonation theory an equally solid one. (After all, characters like Juliet and Desmond were only able to glimpse the Sideways world AFTER the detonation. Christian did tell Jack he and the others created the Sideways together. Many indicators point to 1977 as the point of differentiation. The Island is Sunk, Etc.) I simply don’t see why we’d throw those indicators aside just because the Sideways was ultimately outside of time and fleeting.

          • naultz says:

            When the losties were experiencing their flashes through time, they would always be surounded by a white light just before. when juliet tried to detonate the bomb, it ends with a fade to white, indicating that the bomb did not detonate, and instead, there was a release of the electromagnetic energy that caused the losties to jump back to present island time. so jughead never detonated.

          • a_tape_dispenser says:

            @ Naultz: That was definitely a time flash, you’re right, but we also heard a blasting sound never heard with them previously. Detonation and EM flash could have easily happened simultaneously, hence our heroes not being killed (like Richard presumed they’d been back in 1977) at the same time as the Sideways being created. That it both worked and didn’t work is what we were lead to believe at the start of the season and the majority of fans accepted this. I simply don’t see a reason to discard that just because they were able to remember their entire previous lives in the Sideways and “move on.”

            Your reading of the scene being that jughead never detonated is perfectly fine, but the notion that both happened simultaneously works fine too and explains the Island being underwater in the Sideways. (After the Linuses and some other folks clearly had time to evacuate). I mean we know the Island wasn’t sunk when Ben was a kid in the Sideways, and we know it was sunk by 2004. What caused this? Why not just take the answer most heavily suggested by the show rather than make a new unsolved mystery?

          • naultz says:

            the losties didn’t create the sideways world, they created the churchin the sideways as a meeting place so they could find each other. The sideways world is a spiritual place created by someone much powerful than jughead, Jack or the rest of the losties.

            if you believe in Jughead as the cause then it gives a scientific view and if you don’t it gives the “flash upwards” a spiritual view.

            Science Vs. Faith

          • dd says:

            There is absolutely no conflict between “science” and “faith” in the debate about the source of the sideways world.

            The sideways world existing outside the Jughead detonation and it’s description of it being “spiritual” is merely an acknowledgment that we don’t know why it is there or who made it– only that it exists. This is scientific– in fact, it’s in line with Hume’s idea that you cannot know causal relationships. Science could maybe solve the mystery of this otherworld, but at this moment, and with the the knowledge of the characters, we don’t know.

            I think the line many of you are drawing doesn’t work.

            There comes a point with all knowledge that it relies on faith. I have faith that based on past experiences that if I put something in my pocket, it is going to be in my pocket. Or that when I activate a faucet, I will see water.

            But does this happen all the time? No. We we believe to be certain knowledge fails us due to circumstances we did not anticipate or know.

          • Ament says:

            If you consider the island as a living thing then the reason why we seen it at the bottom of the ocean could of happened by someone pulling the cork and never putting it back. The skeletons in the cave indicated that people have been down there before Desmond/Jack so why not well after? The Sideways world has no time. It could of happened well after Hurley’s reign or even during if he failed to protect the island from more visitors.

            A point to make that Jughead didn’t detonate in 77′ is Juliet’s comment “It worked” was related to the vending machine scene with Sawyer. I believe the failsafe key was rigged up to the core that didn’t go off because Sayid, half dead, didn’t wire it just right. Also a perfectly intact island underwater due to a nuclear explosion is a joke, but if anyone wants to assume this then you would be a faith over science individual after all.

      • Right, so you’re saying the FlashSideways could be interpreted as an Alt where Jughead did go off, just like implied in LA X? So no one in the church was actually dead, they were just remembering their lives from the original. So it wasn’t an afterlife after all.
        That’s an interesting idea.

        Except for the whole JACK’S DEAD FATHER WALKING AROUND AND TALKING TO HIM!!!

        • Ioannes says:

          Remind me again how Locke managed to walk in the Island timeline?

          Or resolve the “Walt-in-multiple-places” issue.

          It is possible that both realities can be equally true – and equally… “glitchy”.

        • a_tape_dispenser says:

          Didn’t say it wasn’t AN afterlife – just that it might not be “The Afterlife.” As opposed to something profound and spiritual that happens to everyone at the point of death, my take on the Sideways is that it was an experience the characters were able to create for themselves through their course-corrected attempt to alter the past. The entire Sideways world was an anomaly, and once our characters “woke up” to this the whole thing begins to unravel: David disappearing, Christian appearing, Sun and Locke Healing Uber-Fast, etc. People lived and died in this Alternate “out of time” timeline the same they did in the Original one (Keamy, Omar, Mikhail, etc), but thanks to Desmond (and perhaps 815 flying over the underwater Island) our characters were able to transcend its reality, remember their true lives, and leave. That’s my
          interpretation. – I’m not saying it’s the only possible one, but it fits fine and doesn’t render pointless or throw out any of the bits of info we were given through the season.

    • BNJM says:

      “So, I say Boo to the finale of Lost.”

      Amen.

    • Handsome Smitty says:

      Actually, George Lucas did break his own rules. When his outline was leaked in a Fantasy magazine, 1978, ’79 I think, George changed the Wookies in 6, Jedi, to Ewoks. Had a hissy fit.

      Then he came up with the “chloramidians” when (not in the original outline) people started treating “The Force” as some kind of religion. He wanted to keep the series grounded in some pseudo science (warps, the Force, yeah, that’s science).

      Anything long-term is destined to be changed. Writing might be a science, but it’s also based on intuition and emotions and ideas which for all of us change as we age.

      Admit you’re an atheist and just can’t accept the “afterlife” message of the show. Since most you guys are socialists/communists, you’d think you’d at least anchor on the communalistic idea of “Live together, die alone.”

      Of course, that was with the caveat of “Love.” Can see how that’d turn you off.

  27. NSBZero says:

    Although I enjoyed the finale immensely, I think the show worked best when the elements of science and faith worked together, as opposed to when they were butting heads. It seems that Jack had his epiphany not only because he was “touched by an angel”, but because he had a scientific mind for that to build on.

    I mean, I’m a spiritual (though not exactly religious) person, but if this show was wholly of a religiously spiritual message, then why was there heroin in the Virgin Mary statues (aside from a Marxist pun)?

    That’s a pretty potent, and somewhat religiously blasphemous, image there. I don’t think the Producers and Writers intended for the finale, and the show as a whole, to be viewed as strictly an old fashioned tent-city revival. I just don’t imagine there’s a lot of time for the explanation of quantum physics when the MIB is going to loose evil incarnate upon all of humanity.

  28. Ola Ray's Missing Career says:

    So is this site on hold now? I’m curious since there hasn’t been a post since Gatesy’s wrap-up.

  29. jimmyzer00 says:

    I wonder the same thing. This is the only Lost site that I visit regularly, and I’ve been doing it since the start. Would suck if this is all we get right at the end.

  30. naultz says:

    Ive checked other sites and it’s like a ghost town. Maybe everyone one else has already flashed up :)

    • jimmyzer00 says:

      lol how inconsiderate of them if so. I hope their next stop is some sort of Hell dimension.

      • Aldo lover says:

        I thought fishbiscuit was going to do a recap after the series was over. Where’s it at??

        • dd says:

          She probably killed herself after Kate chose Jack.

          • whateverhappenedhappened says:

            She says “it’s coming’, but I can’t help but believe dd…

          • dd says:

            Do you really want to read it anyway? Just read all the comments from people who don’t get it and then imagine a bunch of pictures, gifs and interspeak speak (LOLs and that stupid stuff).

          • Ola Ray's Missing Career says:

            You’re an idiot.

          • dd says:

            I’m not going to apologize for being ahead of the game. You can’t see this, I know, but maybe I can find a recapper who can do the thinking for you?

          • Ola Ray's Missing Career says:

            You’re not ahead of the game. You’re not even IN the game. You’re a troll, nothing more.

          • dd says:

            Are you sure about that? I say this as someone who seems to have a matter better grasp of the material than you and a few other members of this board. Calm down, dude(ette).

          • ((guada_lupe)) says:

            leave it to fb to release the last recap WAY after everyone just so she can pretend to have the final say (ie: she hated the show and the finale)

            her recap will be massacred on this site. and i for one, cannot wait.

  31. KerriBeeLost says:

    “their next stop is some sort of Hell dimension”

    maybe they are dissecting “The Real Housewives of America’s Got The Biggest Loser”

    Yes, what’s left on tv now is pretty much Hell

    • Beena says:

      Tell me about it. I think there is NOTHING on tv worth watching lately…

      • jimmyzer00 says:

        Breaking Bad’s worst episode is better than the best episode of Lost, and I’m saying that as a person who REALLY loved Lost. You should check it out.

        • ((guada_lupe)) says:

          agree its a great show, but LOST was better than most stuff on network tv while it was on – breaking bad is on amc – not the same thing – there are HBO shows that are great too – what LOST did on regular network tv is astonishing.

          tell me, will Breaking Bad become the phenomenon in IRAN that Lost became? google it.

  32. Lee says:

    I didn’t hate the finale, but it didn’t leave me satisfied. Especially the last scene inside the church. I had NO problems with the series ending on a spiritual note. I had a problem with the characters who had appeared . . . and who DID NOT appear inside that church. And it’s not so much that there were answers left unanswered that bother me. But the plot inconsistencies did.

    And that was the major flaw of “LOST”. It had too many inconsistencies. This was supposed to be a quality show, not “CHARMED”. Yet for a series of this level, it had too much bad writing. Which is why I will never consider “LOST” as a great show . . . but as a show with the potential to be great.

    • dd says:

      Why do all these people who really didn’t understand a lot of the show keep talking about how the writing was bad when the problem is their intelligence?

      • Ola Ray's Missing Career says:

        Why do you bother coming to a board on which you clearly hate everyone? Are you really that miserable? Jackass.

      • ((guada_lupe)) says:

        i agree dd – everyone is a writer now right?

        • Ben's Glasses says:

          Not some of the ones who work for this show, judging by this season.

          • ((guada_lupe)) says:

            in your opinion right? ur telling me there was NOTHING you took from the final season? no scenes that stuck out for you? NOTHING? see, thats just sad.

          • Ben's Glasses says:

            To guada lupe below – I said some not all. Read more carefully next time. Lost had a few very good writers but unfortunately it also had a few horrible ones. There were a few good scenes here and there this season but also a lot of what basically seemed like fanfic level writing.

          • bplenc says:

            again, in your opinion.

  33. Jack's Sidekick says:

    I don’t know if someone else pointed this out or not….I am fully happy with the LOST ending, but Where was Walt? I’m not asking a question for the show; I’m fully satisfied. I only ask this because of the fact that they said he would be in it and there were the photo’s of him on set. Were they deleted? Will they be on the DVD? Like i said, it doesn’t bother me, I just wonder what happened?

    • naultz says:

      I haven’t seen those pictures. does the scenery give any indication of where they might have been? island? NY? I would be interested to see them.

    • Ioannes says:

      Apparently there is a fifteen minute epilogue that will be included on the DVD but was cut from the broadcast for pacing reasons.

      It will have scenes between Ben, Hurley, and Walt — and will probably conclude those last few mysteries…

    • dd says:

      Why is this even a question?

      • Ola Ray's Missing Career says:

        dd, you are truly a miserable, negative, arrogant and thoroughly unlikable person. You contribute NOTHING to this board.

        • dd says:

          Ola Ray, selective reader or illiterate? You decide.

        • ((guada_lupe)) says:

          i disagree – i enjoy his point of view – we all have them right? are you saying nothing else on this board is negative? i haven’t read so much negative dribble in my life. im not saying this to be obnoxious, but i truly feel sorry for those that didnt like the ending or even worse, ended up hating the series based on the finale. blows my mind actually.

          • dd says:

            Isn’t it funny that someone complains about the negativity, yet this person’s presence is solely defined by making negative comments towards me?

          • Get Over It says:

            There are those of us who didn’t like the ending.

            Yes, it affected how we felt about the series as a whole.

            You may not understand how we came to that conclusion or why, but allow us to have our opinion, and

            Get Over It.

            Move on, and please, let it stop blowing your mind.

            You’re allowed to have your opinion that you think Lost is the best show ever.

            I thought so, too, until the finale, which pretty much ruined it for me. Others have tried to say why, but people are pretty much divided on the subject. People have tried to explain why they didn’t like it and get shot down for doing so. It has nothing to do with being anti-spiritual or an atheist. But I’m not going to try, because others have already explained exactly how I felt and clearly they got nowhere.

            So I’m going to say, I agree with them. I hated the ending also, and yes, it killed the show for me, too. And don’t feel the least bit sorry for me. Stick to your own opinion. I am allowed to have mine.

      • Olive says:

        dd = a douchey mr. hanky

  34. Brian Monroe says:

    It was a steaming pile of horse manure, pure and simple.

    In the end, the show will be remembered as one which presented imaginative and gripping ideas and images — which encouraged viewers to investigate and theorize — but ultimately failed to fully develop into a coherent theme and meaning.

    Case in point, what was meant by having Desmond push a button to prevent the end of the world? Why did the Dharma initiative find that necessary? And by the way, what was the actual purpose of the Dharma initiative? Did it have any relation to what Widmore was doing doing on the island?

    To say “there were no answers” is missing the point. It’s not necessarily that this aspect wasn’t answered or that aspect. It’s that, overall, a central meaning to the island and their purpose on it was not given.

    It’s clear that the writers bit off more than they could chew. And very likely, it would seem that they had early on envisaged the island to be purgatory — where the smoke monster represented the evil of the human spirit, while Jacob and the inner light represent the good — but they got spooked by the fact that everyone had figured it out so they had to throw in things which would negate this theory — ie an evil Mr. Widmore off the island trying to find the island. Thus, the writers introduce a rather bizarre spiritual side-ways world (which oddly enough started out with showing the island under water — huh?) which could serve as a purgatory for the show. This left the purpose and meaning of the island utterly ambiguous and unsatisfying.

    I for one enjoyed what the show offered for the past 6 years. But I am, to say the least, quite disappointed.

    • dd says:

      Did you not understand any of the themes?

      • Brian Monroe says:

        Themes presented which were not fully developed:

        Reason vs. Faith

        Predestination vs. Free Will

        Good vs. Evil

        (Was the smoke monster ‘evil incarnate’ as Dogin said, or just the lost soul of Jacob’s brother trapped on the island? — who knows?)

        How about the idea of personal redemption? Does it really make sense that John Locke, whose last conscious act was attempting to commit suicide, would somehow be granted the grace to go to heaven? — very weak portrayal of redemption.

        These are just a few examples of what was never fully, nor convincingly, resolved with “The End”.

        • dd says:

          Locke didn’t commit suicide. He was murdered by Ben. The decision to kill himself, however, was what Locke believed to be a “sacrifice that the Island demanded.” This is in line with Jack’s battle to save the Island. Their stories and deaths show two different kinds of men dealing with the concepts of leadership and heroism.

          Even if Locke’s death isn’t reconciled with redemption, it works towards inspiring others (Ben and Jack). It also employs tragedy (just like the death’s of Charilie, Boone, and Faraday– all men who thought they were acting in the best interests of their community but died in vain).

          Not all characters are going to find redemption. That’s what gives their stories weight. There is no guarantee of success.

          “Reason vs Faith”– this was fully explored along with destiny vs freewill. I believe a lot of people are mistaken in thinking these things must exist as binaries. LOST worked towards a synthesis of these ideas– instead of combating against each other, we see how they work with together. Just like “good vs evil.” What the show says about all these things is very subtle and nuanced.

          • dd says:

            “with together”? Ugh. Sorry.

          • Brian Monroe says:

            Nothing in the show ended up being “subtle and nuanced.” It was actually quite heavy-handed (there’s no doubt that the sideways time line was purgatory — no interpretation is necessary)

            In terms of Locke, you’re right to point out that his death led to everyone coming back to the island. However, that was a consequence of his suicide not the purpose. Rather, Locke killed himself out of despair. A man, who’s presented as lost in his despair, does not earn any redemption when he decides to kill himself due to his despair.

            And I’m sorry, but if this whole purgatory thing actually was intended to be consistent, this is a huge hole. A central character — someone who in a sense represented every character’s despair and disbelief — to have him off himself just to be replaced by the smoke monster is taking the whole Reason vs. Faith aspect and flushing it down the toilet.

            As for Destiny (or predestination) vs. Free Will. The writers had done an effective job casting Jacob as somehow representing free will and the smoke monster representing destiny. But this dichotomy was hopelessly abandoned in season 6. We never learn how, or even why, Jacob sought to rely on free will — let alone what his actual nature was (was he omniscient, magical, or could he simply just live a really long time?).

            If you give this whole series a serious analysis, there is no way you can arrive at a conclusion other than it utterly failed.

          • dd says:

            Locke didn’t kill himself. I don’t know why you keep repeating this. He was murdered.

            Jacob’s “free will” was that of letting the characters figure things out on their own. He wasn’t omniscient or God-like. He was the owner of a few special characteristics but an ordinary man otherwise.

            I’m not sure what you think of “free will” and whatever limits might contain it or if you think it is boundless in the argument against predestination.

            The Monster didn’t represent “destiny,” only a kind of sullen cynicism that was used to manipulate people in an attempt to leave the Island.

            When you’re talking about freewill, destiny, skepticism (I’m not using “reason”), and faith, you have to look at them in the context of point-of-view.

            I’m not really sure you can justify your claim that these themes are not nuanced or subtle when you seem to have misunderstood or ignored some major points. Again, it seems you are looking at these subjects are immutable binaries. I think this is a major stumbling block for you. Have you ever considered that maybe the intent of the argument was to flush some of these dichotomies down the toilet? That they weren’t useful or exclusive ideas in the first place?

            I think you need to take a step back before claiming “failure after serious analysis,” because you have a lot of work to do.

            I’d start with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction

            wikipedia isn’t the best place, but it will refer you to certain works that might help you understand what’s in play.

          • Brian Monroe says:

            (Replying to your last comment)

            As for Locke, you’re right to correct me, Ben killed Locke. But Locke was fully intending on killing himself — in the end, he had undergone no redemptive transformation. My point still stands.

            Before getting into the idea of free will and Jacob, let me preface it by making a broader point about the failure of Lost. Adamant defenders of the series (like yourself) seem to be relying on their own self-imposed theories to fill in the narrative holes; they (you) also are way too readily to accept the deus ex machina explanations the writers present (I’ll refer you to wikipedia as well if you’re unfamiliar with that term).

            You say that I’m wrong to look at everything as “binaries”, and that’s what’s throwing me off. Well, I’m not sure about that term, I think a better term would be “dualities”. I’m sorry, but I didn’t decide to look at everything in a dualistic way, the writers presented it as such. We have the duality of Reason (skepticism being a derivation of reason) vs. Faith — this being early on effectively embodied in the Locke/Jack relationship, but by the end completely lost in a muddled mess.

            We have the Good vs. Evil duality, clearly suggested by the Jacob vs. smoke monster rivalry and expanded by Jacob’s wine bottle explanation of the island — but it ultimately failed to develop into a meaningful and sophisticated statement, rather it degenerated into a cartoonish fist-fight as “Evil” prepared to get on his sailboat and leave.

            Finally, Jacob and free will. Like I mentioned earlier you are imposing your own theory and too willing to accept the deus ex machina (in other words, accept the mysterious aspects for what they are without explanation). If Jacob’s sole goal is to prevent the “inner light” from going out or the smoke monster from leaving (which were inferred to being linked but never explained),it’s bit odd that a man with such amazing powers couldn’t accomplish in 2,000 years what some spinal surgeon accomplished by dumb luck after 2 1/2 days of assuming Jacob’s position (by randomly throwing Desmond in the cave). And again why was free will relied on? Why didn’t Jacob just tell them to do this? I mean he told them to do other things. Conversely, why did it take the smoke monster so long to get someone to “uncork” the inner light. (by the way, why can’t he do it himself — it’s very ambiguous what physical acts he can and cannot do and why). Why not assume a dead person’s body from the 815 plane crash and just manipulate some shmuck from the Losties to go out there and do it? He employed such an unnecessarily complex and convoluted strategy (including the use of time travel), to do something which was rather simple, and incidentally didn’t rely at all on manipulating anyone — Jack just did it on his own by caprice.

            You seem very intelligent, but I think you’re just in denial. There were so many holes and inconsistencies. When you say it was “subtle and nuanced”, ask yourself if really you’re just imposing your own ideas and theories to make it work. This is not an effective use of interpretation in terms of art appreciation.

          • Rams says:

            And Jack represents that synthesis between Faith and Science. I enjoy your posts, too dd.

          • dd says:

            Brian, I’m having a very difficult time trying to approach your argument because it rests on a few things that are irrelevant or misunderstandings.

            The first being that the world of LOST is required to operate within the guidelines of real life. LOST is a deliberate construction (fiction). Its story is interesting because it is precisely the culmination of what appears to be a string of coincidences that lead to some kind of resolution (or lack of resolution in some cases if that might be the intention of the writer).

            Second, I’m not sure you’re really following what I have to say about binaries (and their fallacy) and the synthesis of what appears to be opposites.

            I want to return to this conversation, but I’m not in the mood to sit in front of my computer (It’s kind of nice outside finally). I’ll get back to this tomorrow (probably).

          • Brian Monroe says:

            dd : you “lost” in other words . . . it’s a hopeless cause, don’t worry

          • ((guada_lupe)) says:

            right Brian and everything you’ve said here is correct right?

            like John killing himself. good one.
            dd can argue you under the table.

          • Brian Monroe says:

            @dd

            It’s funny that you can’t decide whether the show led to a “kind of resolution” or a lack thereof.

          • ((guada_lupe)) says:

            its funny you didnt know that Ben killed John.

            hilarious. a riot even.

          • dd says:

            Brian, I honestly believe you don’t understand what I’m saying. My difficulty with responding to you is that we are not coming to some sort of understanding of terms. I’m arguing that LOST attacks the bias that certain concepts are exclusive identities and that the themes are resolved in their synthesis.

            You continue to insist these concept exist outside each other which is a fallacy You are ignoring or forgetting evidence directly from the story and claiming it to be “theory.” It appears that you didn’t follow the story very well.

            I don’t know what more I can say about it under there is a consensus on what actually happened vs what you want vaguely remember. I don’t see this as a competition or contest of any kind. It’s always interesting to see what kinds of ideas are formed when confronted with a differing opinion. But, like I said, it’s very difficult to have a productive conservation when the other perspective is riddled with error.

      • Lorna Dune says:

        Doc, if you’re reading this, can you PLEASE remove dd? He makes this such an unpleasant place.

    • Lee says:

      I have to agree with Brian. I thought that “LOST” was an entertaining series filled with good acting and interesting idea. But I think that Cuse and Lindehof bit off more than they could chew. For me, “LOST” had the potential to be a great series, but ended up simply being good, nothing more or less.

    • Beena says:

      In season 5 (I think in the episode”The Variable”), not too long before he dies, Faraday does make a very scientific explanation for why Desmond ends up having to push a button every 108 minutes and how it correlated with Dharma’s screw up (thankyou, Radzinski). Season five has been coined the season with “the answers”…except at the time, we didn’t have all the information that we do now. Go back and watch season five now that you have seen the end of the whole series. You will find some of your answers there. Just don’t expect a narrator to voice over the big reveals. Or a burning bush, so to speak!

    • Handsome Smitty says:

      The Island represented Faith. Goodness. Uh, LIGHT (pretty simple metaphor, dude). Recognizing the difference between good and evil, and seeing yourself for what you are – dark or light?

      Jesus Christ!! (No metaphor intended – pure blasphemy.)

  35. Suzanne says:

    I thought the ending was absolutely magical. Anyone who thought we were going to get ALL the answers was never ever going to be satisfied. Well done Damon and Carlton! I’m going to miss you!

  36. Lord Kevin says:

    Okay, so this makes nine days without any new posts. Has this site gone dark??? I’d hate to think it’s going to become as useless as TheTailSection. Say it ain’t so, Doc!

    • rod says:

      dark ufo is still very active with posts, recap, polls and theories.

    • jimmyzer00 says:

      I’m pretty much over this site myself, and that sucks.

      I’m just waiting to see if fb actually writes her recap, and the subsequent shitstorm in the comments when dd annihilates her. That is, if doc hasn’t alienated everyone who used to come here by straight up bailing on his super-prominent fan site mere days after the show’s end.

      I really don’t get why this site is now a ghost town and I’m kind of feeling burned. I really was looking forward to those lists he was promising, reading his thoughts on the finale, generally just having fun here like in the old days.

      Instead, all that’s we got are a few decent-but-short articles that pale in comparison to almost any other entertainment site’s Lost coverage, a bunch of crap posts by that semi-illiterate chick lily(who I am convinced is either blowing Doc, or secretly bought this site 3 years ago,) and constant and inevitably stupid flamewars in the talkbacks that are only mildly more civil than the ones on AICN.

      Oh well Doc, in the end I’m glad you were able to use the community that built up around your blog to bootstrap yourself into some kind of short-lived internet celebrity. When I think back on what actually disappointed me about the end of Lost, it will be the fact that you basically self-destructed my favorite place on the internet, and peeled out to the afterparty.
      Thanks for nothing much.
      Namaste

      I will miss a lot of you guys in the talkbacks. If you guys were still around I’d say more, but damn.

      • Lord Kevin says:

        jimmy, that was needlessly melodramatic and rude. Get a grip. This is a free site. No one here owes you anything. Idiot.

        • jimmyzer00 says:

          I didn’t write the above, man. The only thing I can think is that my roommate Gripp (who is a huge drama queen) Wrote that without changing my screen name over. I read that post and was like “wtf”

      • Handsome Smitty says:

        Yeah, missing Fishy’s, even if I don’t always agree. You’d think she’d be estatic – she got the best of both worlds: Sawyer and Kate flying off the Island together, and Jack dying.

  37. The_Magician says:

    DD is one of the better posters on this forum. There’s nothing at all offensive in his rebuttal, which is more than can be said for a lot of the name-calling that goes on here.

    “A central character — someone who in a sense represented every character’s despair and disbelief — to have him off himself just to be replaced by the smoke monster is taking the whole Reason vs. Faith aspect and flushing it down the toilet.”

    Brian; the whole point was that Locke was manipulated the entire time into believing he was special. In terms of thematic exploration, the reason/faith argument is not flushed down the toilet – Locke’s unceasing faith in his destiny lead him into being a pawn for the Man In Black. And I don’t know why you keep repeating that he killed himself when he didn’t – Ben murdered him.

    The trouble with Lost’s fanbase is that they seemingly want every character to have a ‘happy’ ending.

    • ((guada_lupe)) says:

      here here! finally!

      the problem is starting off with the wrong information (ie: john killed himself) and then using it as a reason for the show “sucking”.

      fan fail.

      • Brian Monroe says:

        @guada_lupe

        I actually respect a lot of the pro-Lost posts, especially DD. But can I just say that I’ve gone through a lot of the stuff you’ve written and you remind of a little kid on the outside of fist-fight between bigger kids and you do nothing except talk shit and hide behind your friends.

        you contribute nothing, to this site and to society in general

        • ((guada_lupe)) says:

          im happy to be that person for you if you like :) ))
          i don’t know what else to say to you except that your points are invalidated based on an incorrect understanding of the show, that is all: Locke wanting to kill himself and then not is not the same thing – he had decided to live, in that moment, bc Ben gave him hope yet again, and then he was murdered. MURRRRRDERRRRRRRRED.

          but you can continue to write really long diatribes trying to convince, im not sure maybe yourself, about the “weaknesses in Lost”

    • Beena says:

      Now, John Locke was my absolute favorite character on this show. And I have come to certain conclusions regarding his death. It was not meaningless, nor was all he did merely the result of manipulation by MIB. But you have to look hard. His great sacrifice was having to leave the island he loved, by going down into a hole and turning that donkey wheel. Jack made a similar sacrifice by staying behind on the island, and going down into yet another “rabbit” hole. Both men sacrificed everything for their friends, and the greater good. Just because MIB had a hand in both their deaths, does not mean those sacrifices were empty. Although on the surface it does seem Locke did not get to enjoy the same glory that Jack did, we ultimately know that what motivated Jack the most was the seed Locke had planted in him! And I call that a great victory on the part of John Locke. It is quite fitting that in the sideways world, Jack “fixed” Locke physically…because in the regular timeline, Locke “fixed” Jack spiritually. And let us not forget that Jack was able to save the island that was Locke’s greatest passion. Not such a meaningless destiny at all, and in fact quite critical. The fact that Locke died…or that jack died, was not really the point in terms of their lives having meaning. Because after all, “everyone dies” sooner or later.

      • spacebender says:

        Beena, I like that description, that Jack “fixed” Locke physically whereas Locke “fixed” Jack spiritually. And I share your appreciation for how, despite multiple tragedies, the impact of Locke’s life became evident in a satisfying way.

        • Beena says:

          Certain other things have occurred to me regarding Locke, that I will share…

          First off, he was not manipulated by MIB so much at all when you compare him to Clare or Sayid, who were walking around in a complete fog and …lost! Nor was he manipulated the way or to the degree Ben Linus was. Locke always maintained his integrity and would never have killed Jacob or done anything that went against a very definitive set of scruples. I would say MIB acted with Locke as more of an opportunist than a manipulator. Locke was already on a certain path, and although the right one, it unfortunately happened to give MIB his “loop hole”.

          Secondly, of all the candidates MIB could have chosen to “body-snatch”, he picked John Locke. Why not someone else??? It was because of Locke’s strength of character. And as much as MIB claimed that Locke was so weak minded, I think that was mostly a lie on his part to try to make Jack have doubts about all Locke taught him. MIB himself even quotes Locke at one point. Imitation is the highest form of flattery here.

          At least that’s my take on it.

      • ((guada_lupe)) says:

        and i was so happy to see Jack defend John’s honour on more than one occasion in the last few eps. made me squeal!

    • Brian Monroe says:

      The smoke monster never manipulated Locke into believing that he was special; this came from himself — which early on was a rather strong and profound aspect of the show (which in some ways relate to the free will theme).

      Rather, Locke was manipulated by the smoke monster into leaving the island. This, I suppose, was for the purpose of having him either kill himself or have Ben kill him (how he knows this will happen — who knows?) so that he can use his body to lead Ben into killing Jacob (who has somehow kept the smoke monster from leaving the island — this aspect was never explained).

      Many of you have failed to understand my point about the John Locke suicide. Of course I know Ben killed him. But in terms of his will or intent — it was a suicide. He was fully intending on killing himself. Ben’s decision to kill him immediately following his decision to save him (what are Ben’s motives anyways? He hears about Eloise and freaks out, why??) doesn’t negate the fact that Locke had once again given in to his doubt and self-loathing. My point has been that he had not truly overcome the recurring problems of his life by his death and therefore should not have been granted admission into heaven (or whatever you want to call it). This point is just one of the many weaknesses I think Lost ended up having. And no one has yet to argue otherwise — everyone has just complained “oh, he didn’t commit suicide, you don’t know what you’re talking about.” But I think my point’s pretty solid.

      Finally, I find stunning that you would actual believe that it was Locke’s own belief in the island which led to his death by the MIB. This is frankly a cynical interpretation of the idea of Faith. In other words, you’re saying “hey, you truly believe in something through your faith in it, nope — you’re really just being led astray by evil or whatever.” Very shallow!

  38. ((guada_lupe)) says:

    leave it to fb to release the last recap WAY after everyone just so she can pretend to have the final say (ie: she hated the show and the finale)

    her recap will be massacred on this site. and i for one, cannot wait.

    for a still active LOST site, try darkufo, several updates a day…

    • Lord Kevin says:

      You can’t wait? See, that’s just sad.

      • bplenc says:

        your sad is my happy

        bring it FB!

        • Ben's Glasses says:

          I don’t think fishbiscuit will be doing a recap, I think she has been done with the series for weeks.

          While they will never say it, you can tell many of the blog writers here were underwhelmed with this season simply from the lack of updates. If the season had been thrilling and satisfying there would be an avalanche of blogging going on still, talking about all the cool stuff and developments.

          • ((guada_lupe)) says:

            incorrect: she has updated on her site (at the bottom the comments section from her last review) that its coming.

            from what i’ve read from my usual lost bloggers, most liked it actually.

          • Lord Kevin says:

            guada lupe, you’re out of touch with reality. And you’re also very arrogant with your whole “incorrect” way of responding to people.

          • ((guada_lupe)) says:

            kevin, i refuse to call you lord, i can only refer you to the below post by a_tape_dispenser

  39. [...] read quite a few articles (the following are particularly interesting 1|2|3) and scoured the brilliant Lostpedia, and reckon that it there need not be any urgency in [...]

  40. spacebender says:

    Jopinionated (jopinionated.blogspot.com) has a wonderful recap of the finale along with coverage of the party.

  41. Stanley Steamer says:

    I just wanted to stop here a moment to say my peace: I agree 100% with ‘Insulted’ and ‘Brian Monroe’.

    This is not a personal attack, but I lost respect for what gatesy815 wrote simply because it is devoid of any critical thinking. If you loved this show and the ending, clearly you’ve recently had a lobotomy.

    If the show is about human connections and love, then why was Christian Shepherd in the church at all? He made no connection with any of these people. He didn’t really know his daughter (Claire) and had a poor relationship with Jack. When Christian died, he should have went into the afterlife with his own people. Not with our Losties. What an opportunist this guy is.

    The Numbers? The mirrors in the lighthouse? Huh? The lady who raised Jacob and MIB – was she even sane and was anything she said even true? Even something as purely fictional as the smoke monster makes zero sense. First we see it as a big thing in the forest that makes the trees sway. Then it kills the airplane pilot. Then we see it form into a big metal clamp attached to a long chain. Then we see it routinely make tree trunks explode into tiny splinters. Why? Then we find out it can’t travel past the sonic fence. Why? Finally, in season 5, we find out it can assume the form of dead people. Huh?

    Lost teaches us that everything does NOT happen for a reason. Countless things happened in the show that had no purpose whatsoever, except to keep us viewers watching with the hope of getting some answers.

    What I got from the ending was Kate looking really hot in that little black dress. And that’s what this show was about – attractive or otherwise likeable characters dealing with incredible drama from day-to-day. And that’s it. It was not about spirituality or science or faith. It was about being entertained for 6 seasons and nothing more.

    If you were satisfied with the show and the ending, good for you. I’m happy for you. My only point here is this: if you’re going to write up a 30 paragraph article about the show, and do not take the time to even mention any of the shows flaws or shortcomings, you’re drunk.

    • Beena says:

      People see things differently, and not just where it pertains to this show. It does not mean they have had “a bottle in front of me”, or a frontal lobotomy (snickering). People just see things so differently from one another. It’s what makes the world go round!

      • Lord Kevin says:

        And yet those who did like the finale have repeatedly taken rude potshots at those who didn’t. It’s a two-way street.

        • a_tape_dispenser says:

          @ Lord Kelvin: That’s no justification for further the potshoting. Someone ought to put a civility blockade on that street.

          • ... says:

            Funny how people can shit all they want on those who didn’t like the finale and dare to say so, and you don’t utter a peep, then when someone insults your point of view, you freak out and start squawking about “civility”.

          • a_tape_dispenser says:

            Funny how some people just assume the worst of others whenever possible.

            I usually try to keep out of the back-and-forth insulting entirely, but I’m not fond of the whole “two-way street / they’re doing it so we’re doing it” conceit under any circumstances. That I got zinged as a freak-out squawker the instant I did stick my head in on a mud-slinging fest is the reason I usually keep out of them. They never lead anywhere interesting or good.

            I’m all about folks debating their sides of things though – that’s cool and fun.

          • ... says:

            Yeah, that was rude of me. I’m sorry.

    • a_tape_dispenser says:

      - That might not have been a personal attack on gatesy815, but calling people who loved the show and its ending mentally impaired is an impersonal attack against a great many people, and I don’t see how that’s any better. It’s never good to begin an argument you expect to be taken seriously with an insult to those you’re attempting to sway.

      - As many have stated in the above analysis posts, the Sideways world wasn’t necessarily (or in my opinion AT ALL) meant to be the usual workings of the afterlife for every person in the world of the show. It was, specifically, a place the characters created (through the Island? through Jughead?) which is heavily suggested to be connected to the Island’s light/energy, and was unique to their experience of death. Christian was there for Jack because Jack needed him to be there – and because Desmond brought the coffin there – plain and simple. Nothing to do with “what Christian deserved” or his own death.

      - The numbers: They’re numbers. To Hugo and Danielle they could be considered bad luck due to the misfortune thy brought them. They crop up in a lot of random places for fun. Most of the non-random places they showed up were connected to their being the serial number / computer code of the Swan Hatch. For me, that was enough, but Fans wanted more so (I’m guessing) that’s why they were also made “numbers of destiny” by being the lighthouse wheel notches for the last six candidates.

      - The mirrors in the lighthouse: An artifact that utilizes the Island’s energy. Magically? Perhaps, but then anything we can’t explain with known science could be defined as magical. The show has made a habit of presenting us with devices that utilize the Island’s light/energy to varyingly scientifically believable extents: the swan hatch, the Orchid, the frozen wheel, the smoke-monster summoning plug, the lighthouse, right down to the stopper in the heart of the Island itself which was clearly crafted by mankind a long time ago. Are these believable? Not in our world, but mysterious supernatural constructs have been a staple of the world of the show for a while now, and supernatural occurrences even longer.

      - Mother: A mix of truth and lies based on her perspective/world-view. If anything has been solidly revealed about the Island’s origins/nature on the show, it’s that mankind does NOT possesses the answers – only individual interpretations of the place and its function. Mother hated all mankind and feared the outside world beyond the Island, so even though for all intents and purposes she’s right that the Island’s energy must be protected because it’s powerful and dangerous (We’ve seen what the Island can do, and we’ve seen what happens when its energy is expunged), her motivations and operating schemes are those of a lonely, hateful, and quite possibly deranaged (a la Rousseau and Claire) woman.

      - The Monster: Well it IS purely fictional, so trying to prescribe reasons why sonic barriers repel it or it has the ability to destroy trees is not something to be overly concerned with – that’s just the way it works. We’ve seen that it can take the form of dead people since Season 3, Episode 5 (The Cost of Living, as Eko’s brother Yemi) and these attributes (including its mode of “summoning” via cork unplugging from The Shape of Things to Come) all suggest its powers come from it being connected-to or “one” with the Island’s energy. We can only theorize about why it killed the pilot, or why it felt like destroying trees (scare tactic, probably), and I have no idea what you’re talking about when you say it formed into a big metal clamp attached to a long chain.

      - I can think of very few things that happened “for no purpose whatsoever.” If there’s any complaint I’m tired of hearing it’s that a part of a story is rendered pointless if doesn’t explicitly factor into that story’s final moments. I find this kind of argument particularly misguided when used against TV show storytelling which involves a zillion small stories building into an overall mosaic. Do Eko’s story was useless after he died? But I loved that story… Oh well, I guess it had no purpose whatsoever since we didn’t explicitly see Eko in the finale. Oh, but wait, it was a great character story, an example of how the Island tests people, offered us an early glimpse into the true nature of the smoke monster, and provided countless great moments that resonate thematically with the rest of the show. Most of the plots and happenings that didn’t directly factor into the realtitme events of “The End” have similar functions, applications, and resonance.

      - All you got was Kate looking hot? She did indeed look good, but if that’s truly all you got from the show and you want to flat out deny it had anything to do with spirituality, science, or faith, I really don’t think you’re going to find much to talk about on LOST forums. Also, what the dickens is wrong with being entertained for six seasons? I would argue the show had a good bit more depth to that, but if all it did achieve was entertaining people for six seasons, that’s a lot more then can be said for the majority of shows and films.

      - I’m glad your happy for me, and in my own write-ups on the show, I DO tend to critique things that don’t sit well with me, but since I disagree so completely with your take on the show’s flaws and shortcomings — and believe me I’m not drunk, but rather a smart successful human being in full possession of his faculties — then I don’t see a need for ever writer to include your take on the show’s flaws in her recap whether she’s been hitting the bottle or not.

      Thanks for sharing (honestly), but pray don’t assume your opinion is the one that other writers OUGHT to be touting or that everyone who disagrees with you is stupid. I promise you we’re not. (*does quick calculus problem to reassure self*)

      • jimmyzer00 says:

        Awesome, dude. +10

      • ((guada_lupe)) says:

        here here!

      • naultz says:

        great points. But I think the smoke moster has been impersonating dead people since season one( white rabbit) when he impersonates christian shepard and leads them to the cave. Although it is not certain, i also think he impersonated Walt, not only in the forest when shannon was shot by Ana Lucia and when John Locke is shot by ben and lying dead in the dharma pit. I know this would suggest that the smoke moster could change into anyone dead or alive, but what other explanation is there?

  42. DharmaDave says:

    It bothers me that many people are complaining that Lost abandoned the theme of Science vs. Faith. That theme was never abandoned. Faith just won. My take on Lost is that science has a purpose in our lives, but it is not the purpose of our life. We have seen over the course of the series that many people wanted to use the mystical/spiritual power of the island to harness it for scientific purposes, and every attempt to do so lead to disaster and death.

    I personally believe lost was all about the power of human consciousness/soul. I believe that the source/light of the island is a collection of pure human consciousness. It is where our souls come from when we are born and it is where it returns to when we die, if and only if we learned something about ourselves before we passed on.

    I think that on the island and being is such close proximity to the source of all consciousness, are losties and everyone else had the ability to make their desires, beliefs, and expectations a reality, such as Hurley willing the Dharma van to work, or even the Ajira plane to fly (Miles, I do believe in duct tape). The best example is that MIB and Jack had two very different ideas of what would happen when desmond went into the light, and both happened, because of their faith that it would and being close to the light of all human consciousness making their beliefs become reality. When MIB was thrown into the light, he absorbed some of it, which is why he was able to read peoples minds and why he could take the form of the dead, as they passed on into the light. Other examples of belief making things into reality would be the lighthouse, the drinking of the water to make the person the guardian of the island, or give the person immortality, the rules.

    As much as I believe Lost was about faith and that faith won, I do not believe that it was about religion. The Others were a religion; they were the followers of what they believed to be a god, jacob. Much like all gods, Jacob was distant and never provided a road map of how his followers should act. In fact he probably did not want people to follow him, just to repent for their sins, be redeemed and be worth of taking over his position. But the others followed Jacob and looked for signs of his will, and interpreted Jacob’s motivations and rules correctly or incorrectly. All of this talk of being claimed and this is what Jacob would want, was mostly the prognostications of men who have never talked to Jacob and are using Jacob’s status to rule. They were misguided, and once their faith was tested with Jacob’s death, they switched allegiances to the MIB’s side pretty quickly.

    So science and religion, according to my interpretation of lost have their place but also have their failings.

    Lost was a story about the power of the human spirit and an example of what an afterlife would be if people realized that it is not the god you follow or whose rules that you obey, but rather the type of person you are and seeing the value of the human spirit and having faith that you mean something in the end.

    In the end they all died, but the sideways world was NOT PURGATORY, it was a place created by the collective consciousness of the losties, in order to for one last time deal with their baggage and wait for each other to be ready to cross over back to the light/source to whatever plane of existence that represented.

  43. Ioannes says:

    It still surprises me how many people were expected (and wanted) a coherent scientific answer: the third episode into the show, it was revealed that a paraplegic survived the plane crash and gained the ability to walk.

    Honestly, what sort of “hard” scientific explanation were you ever expecting for that? Would Star Trek-esque technobabble have soften the blow?

    Personally, as I said further up the page, I can see a coherent soft scientific explanation that sits nicely alongside the faith based ending. It just disappointing that the faith-inspired closing smothered it.

    I think Christian’s ending speech *could* be rewritten to give a more scientific run-down of everything we saw in the flash-upwards… but it’s too cold a note on which to end the show.

    • Beena says:

      Whether a person sides with faith or science, LOST always kept its fingers on the pulse of friendship. Even the wordless friendship of a dog by your side as you take that last breathe…nothing cold about that!

  44. Lee says:

    I don’t think that “LOST” had abandoned its theme of Faith vs. Science. I simply believe that it did a mediocre job of conveying this theme after six seasons.

  45. Intelligent says:

    You’re crazy! Is a mess!
    Not understand anything because the writers had no idea.
    Is a child under the 1001 nights and Simbad the Sailor.
    Players tired and no mood. Do comparison with the first season when they were unknown and no cash.
    That I was fooled for six years!
    Typical for Hollywood. “the end” is unspeakable stupid!

    • whateverhappenedhappened says:

      season 1 ‘unknown and no cash’?
      *cough* highest budget pilot episode of all time *cough*
      *cough* highest raitings of all the seasons *cough*

      Nevertheless, yes, the first season was the best.

  46. Hurley in Spandex says:

    11 days without any updates. What’s going on, Doc??

  47. GettingArztedWithIlana says:

    My final statement of Lost, to whoever can get it:

    at the beginning I thought the show was Peter Gabriel, but at the end it turned out to be Phil Collins.

  48. cekma says:

    For awhile I had been writing recaps and other misc. writings on the show on my facebook. I just decided to start a blog to post everything. Just finished my series finale recap.

    Hope you all enjoy it!…

    Realityasadream.blogspot.com

  49. Funback Joe says:

    So is this what happens to the LOST sites? They just stagnate from here on out?

  50. [...] Una gran artista.The (Tim) O'Reilly Factor Imprescindible entrevista con Tim O’Reilly.“The End” thoughts by Gatesy DocArzt's LOST Blog Buena discusión del final.Lost: Life with Hurley and Ben on the Island [Lost]Las imágenes finales [...]

  51. Hurley in Spandex says:

    Day 13, and no updates. This saddens me. I’d really hate to see this site become another TheTailSection.

  52. s.w.a.c. says:

    *crickets chirping*

  53. Eric says:

    Hey Doc
    I hope you to god you don’t post Fishbiscuit’s final bitter rant on your website.
    To quote her from her own blog, her rants are: Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.

    • Not Eric says:

      Yet another non-clever, cliched anti-FB rant. {{{yawn}}}

      • Vonnie says:

        Wow how the mighty have fallen. There was a time those FB blog postings used to be fascinating, interesting, and insightful. However now they’be turned into something else. She is pure venom. Pathetic.

        • Dan says:

          agreed, thats a lot of whining, but not a lot of thinking.

          • dd says:

            Holy crap x2.

            I’m not really sure where to begin, and I can’t sufficiently even address it because I really need to go to bed– but, Jesus Christ, FB really didn’t understand anything in front of her. She doesn’t understand how stories are told. She didn’t understand how the themes were resolved. And she’s mostly bitter because she was too dense to recognize that from the very first episode, LOST would focus on Jack’s story instead of Sawyer.

          • Not Eric says:

            Well, for one thing, dd, stories are usually told in such a way that what leads up to the ending plays a part in that ending occurring. So much of what happened on the show turned out to be extraneous, and that’s bad storytelling.

          • Not Eric says:

            And you REALLY need to stop insulting people. There’s no need to call her dense. A dozen different insults come to mind any time you post anything, but people refrain from using them because they’re adults. You might try being one as well.

          • BNJM says:

            You can’t address it because you don’t have a single valid argument in your head, you never have, and you never will.

    • dd says:

      Holy crap, I need to read this. I really want to know how much she gets it wrong. Unfortunately, I’m vacationing through next week, I won’t be able to discuss whatever she has to say.

      • Not Eric says:

        I just don’t get what the heck is wrong with the people on this site. Doc and the other writers have vanished for the past two weeks, and are ignoring all messages from people asking what’s going on. So Fishbiscuit posts something new to read… and you guys start flinging insults at her. If you hate FB so much, why even read her stuff? Grow up, folks.

      • Dan says:

        FB’s recap was really bad, and this is someone who’s favorite recap was written by her….about an episode she hated. so the fact she didn’t like it is not what made it an unsatisfying recap. whatever valid complaints she might have had were lost in the “i hate jack” focus of it all.

  54. Brian Monroe says:

    FB is completely one hundred percent correct!

  55. Handsome Smitty says:

    “Labels” mean something, Gatesy, or you wouldn’t have tried to undermine my “Sideways”© label to describe what did turn out to be Purgatory. This whole season I’ve had to put up with people throwing around my Sideways© term for this season and I’ll be damned if you’re going to negate it with something as groundless and silly as “Upwards.”

    Now, I don’t mind you applying it to the finale, because our Losties moved on into the Light and since we perceive of Heaven as up, no problem.

    But this season the Losties’ souls have been on the sidelines, waiting for Jack to resolve his issues, cheering him on.

    And it’s PLANE – not plains.

    Jesus Christ! (No metaphor intended – pure blasphemy.

  56. Handsome Smitty says:

    Hey all – Fishy’s post is up http://fishbiscuitlandblog.blogspot.com/ and she is not a happy camper.

    Her first point is way off, talking about the sloppy continuity of this season when it actually turns out since there is only “Now” in Sideways©, the mistakes make total sense; they were meant as clues all along!

    Still reading it. Heartbreaking. You Ben-Lovers will identify with it for sure…hahahahhahahaha.

    • Rams says:

      I didn’t read her whole recap because I don’t want to be swamped by all the negativity. But clearly her biases are affecting her views. If she was, as she states, surprised that Jack was the main hero of the story, I don’t know what show she’s been watching. I have several other critiques of her recap, but perhaps this is not the place to post it.

  57. ... says:

    The only continuity flaw she mentioned was the sonogram date, something which the writers admitted was a prop error. The rest of it was about editting mistakes, bad writing, and dropped plotlines.

    • Handsome Smitty says:

      I don’t think so. Sun and Jin’s timeline conflicting with the events, Locke and Jack’s timeline, just about everyone’s don’t make sense as a day-to-day story.

      Christian said there is only “Now” there, and I’m pretty certain that was the intent of the Sideways© plot lines.

      I don’t disagree with Fishy’s take on The Darlton jerking us around (at least a little bit). I do think they had this story from the beginning, but they were definitely playing to – and insulting at times – the audience. But while Fisny only references the sonogram, it’s clear her intent is a reference to the whole 6 continuity issues. Call ‘em dropped plotlines (some are, some not) or editting mistakes you want, but I disagree.

      Uh, can’t excuse the occasional bad writing, or how Across the Sea was a total “belly flop” (cudos, Fishy!). Season 6 almost ruined the whole experience. The End saved it…even if some of us didn’t like what it said Lost was all about.

  58. ((guada_lupe)) says:

    suck it

  59. icy_one says:

    The best part about Lost being over is no more Fishbiscuit, Can’tSeeTheForestForTheTreesbiscuit, SoCompletelyDensebiscuit. Good riddance.

  60. gossipgal says:

    Ioannes says:
    June 8, 2010 at 5:42 pm It still surprises me how many people were expected (and wanted) a coherent scientific answer: the third episode into the show, it was revealed that a paraplegic survived the plane crash and gained the ability to walk.

    Yes! Ioannes I agree – I remember episode 1 and then it alllllll went downhill from episode 2!

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