Comments on: Lost Rewatch Week 4 – S1 – Episodes 13 – 16

By: Cutter XXIII

Cutter XXIII — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:17:34 +0000

I guess this thread is pretty dead, but I can’t believe there are no comments on “It’ll come back around” in Outlaws.

The phrase is repeated three times in the episode, once in the Whispers.

“It’ll come back around.”

By: Ament

Ament — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:00:02 +0000

No, I really don’t think he faked it. He was in the Pearl station realizing that the monitors were focused on the Swan Station where they were asked to take notes of the on goings in the hatch. Thats when he thought the button was a mind game like Jack suggested, but a few episodes later we discovered that it was actually the Pearl station that was a mind trip because of the tube system leading to nowhere, John never seen that so continued to assume the Swan was a mind game. Eko’s dreams were to get John back on the right path which is believing again. That only succeded when the hatch imploded around locke and told Desmond “I was wrong”.

The ironic part about the whole thing is how it was Locke who was warned by Sayid, Walt, and Hurley to not open the hatch. Sayid’s point about no handle on the outside was great observation. If he left the hatch alone or never found it then none of the future events would have occured, in a sense “curiosity killed the cat”.

By: Cutter XXIII

Cutter XXIII — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:33:28 +0000

Special:

A. Yet again, Vincent runs off right before Walt’s encounter with a polar bear that’s so big, so unnatural looking, that one can only assume it’s actually Smokey. Vincent = Smokey. I’m sticking with that theory until something happens to prove me wrong.

B. If I’m right, the scene where Locke is “holding court” with his little Cult of Boone, teaching Walt to throw a knife, with Vincent watching in interest…well, that scene takes on a whole different tenor if Vincent is Smokey/MiB. Kinda spooky. And weird how Locke is ready to respect Michael’s wishes…until he’s close to the MiB’s influence. Then, all of a sudden he’s running off at the mouth about Walt being allowed to “fulfill his potential.” Very odd.

By: jfejle

jfejle — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:42:36 +0000

All this talk about “Esau” (MiB). The ” you have no idea what I’ve been through to get here” comment could be linked to same of the hallucinations. Jack was supposed to fall off the cliff, He was considered the leader and people would listen to him.
Hurley was someone everybody liked on the island. Leader by example, he was also supposed to go over the cliff. As the rewatch goes on we may remember more attempts to kill someone, and Locke ends up being the man for the job.

By: Cutter XXIII

Cutter XXIII — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:20:48 +0000

Just watched Hearts & Minds last night. A few observations:

–I’m certain Locke is receiving instructions (subconscious, visions, whatever you want to call them) from the Man in Black, the eventual Locke-alike. When it will rain. Where to go. How to make freak-out paste in a mango. Creating a bond with the island. Man in Black has known about Locke for about 50 years now, but from Locke’s perspective he only just arrived. Awesome.

–The conversation between Jack and Locke on the beach bears a number of similarities to the one between Jacob and the Man in Black. Jacks walks up and says “See any ships?” which put me in the mind of the Black Rock. Then Locke talks about humans being “the most dangerous predator.” Awesome mirroring of those two scenes.

–The Hatch. If you’re like me, and you believe Whatever Happened, Happened, then the last time we saw this spot in the overall chronology was in ‘77, when the Incident occurred. Now it’s 27 years later, and the spot is completely overgrown, the Swan bleeding off the energy of the blast every 108 minutes. I really want to see what happened during the interventing time!

–If Locke is receiving subconscious instructions from Man in Black, then it’s likely he was led right up the Hatch. A sequence of events that eventually leads to Desmond turning the failsafe key. I’d always thought it was Ben’s goal to screw up the button-pushing and get the Swan blown up…but now I think that’s what the man in Black wants. But why?? What does it achieve? How does it counter Jacob’s Incident plan for those who were ‘chosen’ by him?

I’m having great fun with the rewatch.

Oh, as for the sickness and the quarantine…there is no sickness. Not a disease, anyway. The sickness was how they referred to people being dragged under the Temple and “converted” by Smokey. So, the Hatch quarantine could have been to prevent Dharma personnel getting co-opted by the enemy, but eventually they forgot what it really meant. Kelvin figured he hadn’t gotten sick, so it was sham…but he didn’t understand what was meant by “sickness.” None of us did until “This Place Is Death.”

By: neoloki

neoloki — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:49:33 +0000

Like Mathew Abaddon is the older Walt? I like that idea. Problem is they said they were done with time travel.

By: thorsten

thorsten — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:54:09 +0000

Good old Ethan, the ‘Other’ surgeon.
It was pretty cool how he gave Jack that suitcase full of meds in mobisode 10, explaining it as a hypochondriacs luggage.

There is a lot of strange stuff going on with Locke in season one. Looks, comments, behavior.
With all the knowledge from ‘Incident’ it is easy to see ‘Esau’ acting here already. And then there is the fact that Locke met smokey in the woods, stared down his throat, and discovered something wonderful.

But then, in season 2, why should Locke switch, and become so doubtful about everything? Did he fake it, to manipulate Eko?
If ‘Esau’ posessed Locke from early on, then it was his materpiece to trick Ben into strangling him.

By: Doc Alpert

Doc Alpert — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:37:17 +0000

It seems possible to me that the answer to Miles’ “specialness” is the same as the answer to Walt’s, in which case we very well could get resolution even if Walt never shows up again.

By: Marc

Marc — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:29:47 +0000

Regarding the injections to claire. In season three epsisode i believe one of us when juliet first comes to lostie camp and is still working for ben it was revealed they put an implant in her that may have had something to do with the shots which they set off to help earn juliets trust.

By: Ben'sBleedingKidney

Ben'sBleedingKidney — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:13:41 +0000

We do see Walt appear to Shannon, wet and in the jungle, during season 2 so the question posed by Clue seemed fairly explicit in the logic of Lost.

By: neoloki aka Ben'sbleedingkidney

neoloki aka Ben'sbleedingkidney — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:08:00 +0000

Hope I didn’t sound rude. I read your stuff all the time, over at Sledge too and generally like your thoughts.

It’s just that the Locke was Not-Locke theory REALLY pisses me off!

By: Ament

Ament — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:33:31 +0000

Regarding Homecoming:

The injection shots were never mentioned, but it was mentioned in S3 by Juliet that death occured only when conception happened on the island not delivery, thats why Sun was happy it was Jin’s but sad that she would be kaput.

By: lockeheart

lockeheart — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:56:22 +0000

I dont know, im still holding on to my theory that in the near future, say 2020 (doesnt really matter) an older Aaron, ji yion, and walt will crash on the island. Eventually someone will turn the wheel and they will time skip from one time to another. They will eventually get stuck in our present time (on the show) because jacob’s death will cause them to stop skipping, leaving our grown up characters in the nexis of next seasons climatic story. This theory could just allow them to replace walt with an older actor, and give mark pelligro a chance to reprise his role as jacob, but as a older, clueless, probably nose-bleeding aaron.

By: Uncle Beaver

Uncle Beaver — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:43:59 +0000

I’ve been wondering for a while, now, if they filmed any scenes with Walt a few years ago, to be used in later seasons as Walt’s flashbacks. If the writers TRULY knew what they were doing along, wouldn’t they have filmed some stuff to be used later on?

I asked this question to Lindelof and Cuse on “Ask Lost” a couple times, but, they never answered it on a podcast… hopefully because they really did do this, and don’t want to give to much info away? … Just hoping.

By: Ament

Ament — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:19:13 +0000

There are a few points to mention about Walt that I can’t dismiss as coincidence. The backgammon game where every time they show him roll he gets the number he was rolling for (the scene with hurley was funny), the knife throwing…it is not easy to throw a knife and land blade in let alone it was his second try and he got it on the spot. He did that after Locke told him to focus and “want it”, when Locke grabbed his arm Walt stepped back and told him “don’t open it” in a scared tone. When they were leaving he completely changed his thought of staying on the island and told his Dad he wanted to leave. Even when Walt left the island he had a dream about Locke and how he was in a suit surrounded by people which happened when his body fell out of the coffin.

The fact is they showed Walt at least once per season, even in the shortened season 4 they managed to let us know he is around, why? Why do you think they all of a sudden jumped 3 years from season 4-5, so they can explain his real life growth spurt. In Season 2, when Michael is captive they ask him one question that didn’t make sense “Have you ever seen Walt in places he isn’t supposed to be?” but who do we know has that power to be in any place at anytime? Jacob. I’m not going to start theorizing this person is really this person, but Walt could be a “candidate” to replace Jacob now that he is dead and “dead is dead”.

A great ending IMO is for our losties destiny or purpose is a giant game of backgammon where the ultimate goal is to set things right for the next heir to the island’s throne. Season 2 they prob let Walt go because he most likely can come and go as Jacob does and IF he can’t there is always the never-seen-ajira-passenger who emerges and *poof* it’s Walt….which I really really hope not.

Sorry long post I like the mystery of Walt.