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I think this is related to fertility God and this theme… Would like to hear your opinions.

Having said all this, I completely agree with your post.

Her story or fate was sealed early by her parents, who told her that even amidst planning and love, you can’t have what you want in the long run. Her own divorce buttressed it. Even her career advancement came with a guilty conscience and strange foreboding. I wonder if it was coincidence that she took to stealing illicit moments of happiness with a married man, where there was no hope of long term happiness. Or, that her therapist acted as both real and figurative conscience even about that.

We could go on with her story, but you get the idea. Then, on the last day of her life, after delaying her freedom from the island for three years, she gives it up again almost immediately, now becoming a truly tragic figure as she begins actively working towards her terrible fate and throwing her future happiness away. Staying true to her destiny, she then throws her lover away also, all because of a single look. To outward appearance, the decisions looked hypocritical. To her, they were a consistent admission that she knew her fate. She would never fight it. She was doomed to die alone in the dark, broken, bleeding, and actively beating forever on a bomb that deny her everything she ever dreamed for.

That’s not redemption. That’s complete failure. I hope she’s alive, or we witnessed one of the most stirring tales of active failure by an outwardly strong and beautiful woman that TV as ever seen.

I also don’t think that the show will end up being about Jacob and “Esau” any more than Trading Places ended up being about Randolph and Mortimer Duke. Yes, they were key players to the plot, but not the main focus of the story. They initiated it, but our emotional connections were with Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd ‘s characters.

Mark Pellegrino as Jacob reminded me of Cary Elwes in The Princess Bride.

It’s funny to me then that his tapestry said “May the gods grant thee all that thy heart desires” – in other words, “As you wish”.

Ahhh… only funny to me.

[Side note - maybe Jacob's house is the Magic Box.]

That’s a flaw in the way the show is made, the continual hyping of “This week on LOST! The answers you’ve been waiting for!” only to add three questions for every one answered. I have my own Ben-related questions (what happened when Richard took him to The Temple? What happened to Annie?) but I wouldn’t surprise me to not have those answered at the end, because, hey, we need yet ANOTHER Jackback telling us that he’s afraid of being a leader.

“Going in, we already knew that there was a bomb that was going to be thrown down the pit. We also knew Ben planned on killing Jacob. Did we need 2 hours to get there?”

Sure we did! We needed almost 15 minutes out of the actual 84 minutes of screen time to have two utterly stupid, risible gun battles –as my dad said, “DHARMA deserved to be purged, they have rifles and outnumber the Losties and can’t shoot a standing target 20 feet away!”– and a fist fight between Jack and James that should have taken place in season 2! Duh!

I just find it kind of sad that after five seasons, the same storytelling things that bugged me in season 1:
-the addiction to THE SHOCKING REVEAL!!!! in place of just telling the damn story
-having someone stop before telling us something (Jacob did that when he didn’t reveal The Man In Black’s name on the beach)
-having someone rush in to interrupt characters who are about to reveal a key plot point
-having characters who normally won’t shut their cake holes suddenly go silent when pressed for an answer to something
-the stupid love triangle–mein Gott, at this point it’s so dysfunctional and boring that to have it end with either Skate or Jate would be cruel
-the role of women is solely defined by how the men in their lives react to them
-the utterly inconsistent ways characters act, based on how they fit in to the plot points

are still there. I realize a lot of it is that they’ve had to make changes on the fly (AAA not wanting to do Eko anymore, Paulo and Nikki), that going back and recreating scenes to explain something that happened in season 2 is tough and so on, but at the end of the finale, I felt like the previous 5 seasons were a sham, that most of what we saw, that the heart-wrenching deaths (Charlie) and separations (Nadia and Sayid) was irrelevant, because apparently they’re now going to introduce in the finale of the next-to-last season the characters that the show is REALLY about, Jacob and Esau, erm, The Man In Black.

It was Kate and Sawyer who swam around int the lagoon, and they found two seats at the bottom with to persons still attached. Anyway, they were there to get the briefcase..

This was so early in the show that I’m not sure if we can make a 100% similarity between Locke and Christian based only on the fact that they arrived on the island in coffins.

Also in both cases,.. The actual bodies inside the coffin remain untouched, if I remember in season one,.. Someone was swimming in a pond somewhere inside the island (I think it was charlie or sawyer).. and they found Christian Shepard’s Coffin underwater.. I think they found his body too.. ! And in the second case,..as seen in the season 5 finale.. Locke’s body is found in his coffin… But these people come alive otherwise ;… so maybe essau shape shifted into these dead people forms and …. I dunno… any thoughts on my loose observation ?

good call on noting Set’s infertility issues. it’s said that his wife Nepthys fathered Anubis with Osiris. however, Set apparently was able to spawn Sobek despite his low sperm count.

one problem with calling Esau Seth is that Set is actually Sobek’s father, in Egyptian lore. so instead of two equal opposites i.e. Lucifer/Gabriel, or Osiris/Set, or Loki/Baldr, you dont have fratricide but a father killing a son if you adopt that line of reasoning. that changes everything from a metaphysical point of view.

i’ll also agree that ABC likely erred in calling the statue Tawaret. the statue is clearly male, as is the tapestry Ilana gets from the cabin. it clearly has the head of a crocodile in the screenshot of the cloth. therefore, it almost certainly CAN’T be Tawaret, although a merged Sobek-Tawaret is possible, since the headdress appears to be Tawaret’s. interestingly, Sobek is not only Set’s son, but Tawaret’s husband. i have no idea how this relates to Lost (or doesn’t), but i’m not even gonna try to speculate on what may not be speculatable at this point. i’m just gonna wait and see how it turns out.

As for Henry’s points, the producers have promised a return to the character focus next season. They also said awhile back that Locke would wind up a hero. That hasn’t happened yet, so I’m fairly certain his story is not done.