Comments on: Wild Speculation – “The Variable” http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/ Everything Lost found here. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:11:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Uncle Beaver http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36539 Uncle Beaver Mon, 04 May 2009 22:02:51 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36539 Cool idea !! Cool idea !!

]]> By: pookigus http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36428 pookigus Mon, 04 May 2009 08:28:43 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36428 Everything in the story until this point will be tied neatly(or not)into a bow - sealing the loops in time - or else the end of the world as we know it. That's why they had to go back. Season five will mostly likely end with all our characters new and old reunited in the future choosing sides in the coming war for control of the island -after all the time traveling messes have been cleaned up . Then season six can play out character driven without the writers having to worry about time paradoxes. Everything in the story until this point will be tied neatly(or not)into a bow – sealing the loops in time – or else the end of the world as we know it. That’s why they had to go back. Season five will mostly likely end with all our characters new and old reunited in the future choosing sides in the coming war for control of the island -after all the time traveling messes have been cleaned up . Then season six can play out character driven without the writers having to worry about time paradoxes.

]]> By: Uncle Beaver http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36274 Uncle Beaver Sat, 02 May 2009 20:02:25 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36274 One thing the story has yet to even HINT at is: Why did the Oceanic Six HAVE to go back to The Island? What mystical, metaphysical, religious or scientific reason is so important that THESE PEOPLE have to go back there, or "God help us all"? One thing the story has yet to even HINT at is: Why did the Oceanic Six HAVE to go back to The Island? What mystical, metaphysical, religious or scientific reason is so important that THESE PEOPLE have to go back there, or “God help us all”?

]]> By: elainencarolina http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36261 elainencarolina Sat, 02 May 2009 17:27:42 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36261 "Hawking sent Jack back to the island because she is hoping she can change something. Something that needs to be changed or “God help us all”……" Or, if as suspected, the Losties actually CAUSE the incident, then back so things stay the same or "God help us all." “Hawking sent Jack back to the island because she is hoping she can change something. Something that needs to be changed or “God help us all”……”

Or, if as suspected, the Losties actually CAUSE the incident, then back so things stay the same or “God help us all.”

]]> By: Shaun http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36177 Shaun Sat, 02 May 2009 00:08:53 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36177 Oh, and I don't think Daniel's going to die either, or at least not stay dead for long. I agree with what Doc Jensen had to say yesterday about all that... We're not done with Daniel. The new leader though? Hmm... What if he's Jacob? I'm not so certain about that, but it has been speculated elsewhere. Oh, and I don’t think Daniel’s going to die either, or at least not stay dead for long. I agree with what Doc Jensen had to say yesterday about all that… We’re not done with Daniel. The new leader though? Hmm… What if he’s Jacob? I’m not so certain about that, but it has been speculated elsewhere.

]]> By: Shaun http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36176 Shaun Sat, 02 May 2009 00:07:12 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36176 You've never watched Star Trek, have you? :-) If you truly CAN change the future, as Jack and Kate will attempt to do, then the plane never crashes, it lands at LAX, and they never go back to 1977. They disappear from that timeline, and they go on with their lives as before. In Kate's case, of course, that means going to JAIL so I'm not sure why she'd want to stop it all. Of course, maybe she'll be a turncoat and sabotage Jack's attempt to sabotage the Swan (and therefore keeping the current/past timeline intact). Wouldn't THAT be something? Getting back to Star Trek, that's sort of what's going to happen, apparently, in the new movie coming out next week. Basically, a new timeline will be created, doing away most of what we remember from the old TV show for the sake of the new movies... If Old Man Spock goes back in time to change things, he's basically doing the same thing you're questioning/wondering about here. That's the paradox of time travel. All that said, I have pretty much no interest in the new Star Trek movie. :-) I don't want to see new actors playing the old, classic roles. You’ve never watched Star Trek, have you? :-)

If you truly CAN change the future, as Jack and Kate will attempt to do, then the plane never crashes, it lands at LAX, and they never go back to 1977. They disappear from that timeline, and they go on with their lives as before. In Kate’s case, of course, that means going to JAIL so I’m not sure why she’d want to stop it all. Of course, maybe she’ll be a turncoat and sabotage Jack’s attempt to sabotage the Swan (and therefore keeping the current/past timeline intact). Wouldn’t THAT be something?

Getting back to Star Trek, that’s sort of what’s going to happen, apparently, in the new movie coming out next week.

Basically, a new timeline will be created, doing away most of what we remember from the old TV show for the sake of the new movies… If Old Man Spock goes back in time to change things, he’s basically doing the same thing you’re questioning/wondering about here. That’s the paradox of time travel.

All that said, I have pretty much no interest in the new Star Trek movie. :-) I don’t want to see new actors playing the old, classic roles.

]]> By: Shaun http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36175 Shaun Fri, 01 May 2009 23:59:13 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36175 That's about right... After Ms. Mader called them on it, Darlton backpedalled and said they'd "mis-remembered" the whole thing and blamed it on Mader by mistake. Kind of humorous, really, but I do wonder how Darlton screwed that one up. That’s about right… After Ms. Mader called them on it, Darlton backpedalled and said they’d “mis-remembered” the whole thing and blamed it on Mader by mistake. Kind of humorous, really, but I do wonder how Darlton screwed that one up.

]]> By: Shaun http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36174 Shaun Fri, 01 May 2009 23:55:36 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36174 Ah... I see somebody me to this very point. :-) That's not even including the woman behind Sun (which Darlton claimed totally ignorance about in a recent interview I read)! Ah… I see somebody me to this very point. :-) That’s not even including the woman behind Sun (which Darlton claimed totally ignorance about in a recent interview I read)!

]]> By: Shaun http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36173 Shaun Fri, 01 May 2009 23:53:53 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36173 I have never heard of a "California accent" before... What does that sound like? Anyhow, it certainly sounded like Daniel/Davies to me. While I agree wtih bps that it would be a huge blunder to ignore that, the video probably hasn't been seen by the majority of people who simply watch the show. Not to mention, would it be any bigger of a mistake than the Charlotte in 1974 debacle? Or how WAAAALT knew about the name "Jeremy Benthem," or even Miles mentioning Ben's turning of the donkey wheel when he (as far as I can tell) Miles shouldn't even know about the donkey wheel, let alone Ben ever turning it? Sorry to say it, but it wouldn't be the first mistake Darlton's made this season (unless all this stuff will get explained at some point?). I have never heard of a “California accent” before… What does that sound like?

Anyhow, it certainly sounded like Daniel/Davies to me.

While I agree wtih bps that it would be a huge blunder to ignore that, the video probably hasn’t been seen by the majority of people who simply watch the show. Not to mention, would it be any bigger of a mistake than the Charlotte in 1974 debacle? Or how WAAAALT knew about the name “Jeremy Benthem,” or even Miles mentioning Ben’s turning of the donkey wheel when he (as far as I can tell) Miles shouldn’t even know about the donkey wheel, let alone Ben ever turning it?

Sorry to say it, but it wouldn’t be the first mistake Darlton’s made this season (unless all this stuff will get explained at some point?).

]]> By: Shaun http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36171 Shaun Fri, 01 May 2009 23:45:30 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36171 That's right, hk... In my mind, it's one of those subtle changes that might just prove that events can be changed and in fact ARE being changed... You could throw this one in there with the changed picture frames in the woman's house the first time we ever met Miles, and Charlie's originally being unable to swim, then suddenly being a swim champ (and doing a fine job of getting down to the Looking Glass). Even the faux pas of when Charlotte was born could, conceivably, be explained by this. Of course, Charlotte's memory of a childhood event from 30 years ago, as she's moments away from dying, could be faulty. That’s right, hk… In my mind, it’s one of those subtle changes that might just prove that events can be changed and in fact ARE being changed… You could throw this one in there with the changed picture frames in the woman’s house the first time we ever met Miles, and Charlie’s originally being unable to swim, then suddenly being a swim champ (and doing a fine job of getting down to the Looking Glass). Even the faux pas of when Charlotte was born could, conceivably, be explained by this.

Of course, Charlotte’s memory of a childhood event from 30 years ago, as she’s moments away from dying, could be faulty.

]]> By: CAStroupe http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36152 CAStroupe Fri, 01 May 2009 19:08:52 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36152 I have been trying to wrap my mind around all of this so please forgive me if I sound completely stupid (also this is my first post but I am an avid reader). I get what alot of you are saying about not changing the past BUT since this is our Losties present aren't they trying to change THEIR FUTURE? Maybe I am off the wall here but the way Daniel said "they weren't supposed to be there" made me think they were dropped in the wrong place/time and that was another "change in the past" or something like that (either that or he was implying that all their lives were supposed to turn to shit after they left the island?). I just got the feeling that them being there (in 1977) is a change from what actually originally happened? I have been trying to wrap my mind around all of this so please forgive me if I sound completely stupid (also this is my first post but I am an avid reader). I get what alot of you are saying about not changing the past BUT since this is our Losties present aren’t they trying to change THEIR FUTURE? Maybe I am off the wall here but the way Daniel said “they weren’t supposed to be there” made me think they were dropped in the wrong place/time and that was another “change in the past” or something like that (either that or he was implying that all their lives were supposed to turn to shit after they left the island?). I just got the feeling that them being there (in 1977) is a change from what actually originally happened?

]]> By: Uncle Beaver http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36135 Uncle Beaver Fri, 01 May 2009 16:39:35 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36135 Whoops. What I meant to ask was: "Did the AJIRA SURVIVORS 'flash' in time from 2008 back to 2007?" Whoops. What I meant to ask was:

“Did the AJIRA SURVIVORS ‘flash’ in time from 2008 back to 2007?”

]]> By: Uncle Beaver http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36131 Uncle Beaver Fri, 01 May 2009 16:23:05 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36131 Oh, by the way. They aren't going to CHANGE the past. They are going to FULFILL and solidify their destiny by going back into the past. Anything that is going to happen at "The Swan" is going to happen and has already happened. "You can't change the past". Oh, by the way. They aren’t going to CHANGE the past. They are going to FULFILL and solidify their destiny by going back into the past. Anything that is going to happen at “The Swan” is going to happen and has already happened.

“You can’t change the past”.

]]> By: Uncle Beaver http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36129 Uncle Beaver Fri, 01 May 2009 16:15:51 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36129 Hey, I have a question. You said Ben, Locke, Sun, and the rest of the Ajira survivors are back in 2007. But that flight supposedly took off 3 years after the Oceanic Six were rescued. The O6 were rescued in the beginning of 2005, so three years later would be... 2008. Right? I know Sawyer, Juliet, and the rest "flashed" to 1974 and 3 years later they are living in 1977. I know in a few scenes, they say "30 years earlier", which would make the "current time" 2007, so... Did the O6 "flash" in time from 2008 back to 2007? Are they in 2007 or 2008? Are the writers just "estimating" when they say "30 years earlier" Does it really matter that I'm asking these questions? Hey, I have a question.

You said Ben, Locke, Sun, and the rest of the Ajira survivors are back in 2007. But that flight supposedly took off 3 years after the Oceanic Six were rescued. The O6 were rescued in the beginning of 2005, so three years later would be… 2008. Right?

I know Sawyer, Juliet, and the rest “flashed” to 1974 and 3 years later they are living in 1977. I know in a few scenes, they say “30 years earlier”, which would make the “current time” 2007, so…

Did the O6 “flash” in time from 2008 back to 2007?
Are they in 2007 or 2008?
Are the writers just “estimating” when they say “30 years earlier”
Does it really matter that I’m asking these questions?

]]> By: hk http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36112 hk Fri, 01 May 2009 10:36:01 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36112 Actually he did NOT tell her not to come back. The only thing he was saying was "you and your mummy - you gonna have to leave." Actually he did NOT tell her not to come back. The only thing he was saying was “you and your mummy – you gonna have to leave.”

]]> By: loony http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36106 loony Fri, 01 May 2009 06:30:32 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36106 its so mind twisting... that i can imagine my self watching the last season just like Faraday is watching the fake plane crash on tv. "My Wife": Loony? Why are you so upset ??? "Loony": I Dont know... lol its so mind twisting…

that i can imagine my self watching the
last season just like Faraday is watching the fake plane crash on tv.

“My Wife”: Loony? Why are you so upset ???

“Loony”: I Dont know…

lol

]]> By: Dolce http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36100 Dolce Fri, 01 May 2009 03:09:31 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36100 Great recap. Great recap.

]]> By: NeilsSpirit http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36076 NeilsSpirit Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:29:02 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36076 Daniel knows when "The Incident" at the Swan location took place because he has his journal which contains information about the DHARMA Initiative, including the time / location of The Incident. To that end, he apparently wanted Eloise to lead him to Jughead. While he has no intention of using the hydrogen bomb in it's complete form, he probably wants to use the conventional detonator which compresses the fissionable material that generates at atomic explosion. Indeed, it's possible that it is used eventually; it becomes the failsafe that is eventually used by Desmond in Live Together, Die Alone. Hawking's statement that she doesn't know what is going to happen may actually imply she was affected like Desmond was, with Flashes Before Her Eyes. Meeting up with Charles Widmore in the future-present may have erased that ability, as he is certainly capable of being her Constant. Daniel knows when “The Incident” at the Swan location took place because he has his journal which contains information about the DHARMA Initiative, including the time / location of The Incident. To that end, he apparently wanted Eloise to lead him to Jughead. While he has no intention of using the hydrogen bomb in it’s complete form, he probably wants to use the conventional detonator which compresses the fissionable material that generates at atomic explosion. Indeed, it’s possible that it is used eventually; it becomes the failsafe that is eventually used by Desmond in Live Together, Die Alone.

Hawking’s statement that she doesn’t know what is going to happen may actually imply she was affected like Desmond was, with Flashes Before Her Eyes. Meeting up with Charles Widmore in the future-present may have erased that ability, as he is certainly capable of being her Constant.

]]> By: 4XLOST http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36061 4XLOST Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:27:00 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36061 So do the children of Dhama include Sun? It appears so and suggests a tie in to Paik Industries and Dharma. So do the children of Dhama include Sun? It appears so and suggests a tie in to Paik Industries and Dharma.

]]> By: cpoole2342 http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36059 cpoole2342 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:22:18 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36059 I believe Hawking's knowledge of future events dates back to whatever interactions she will have with Jack and Kate, along with Daniel's journal entries/equations. Since 1977 she has known that she killed Daniel and that in 2008 she will tell Jack and the O6 to get on Ajira Flight 316, because the 2008 version of Jack and Kate tell her that is what happened/ how they got back. That would be interesting because then where does the information regarding 316 originate? Guess it would be a Jinn, then... So 2008 Hawking's future knowledge ends with Jack and Co. boarding Ajira 316, and thus her comment to Penelope in the hospital. I believe Hawking’s knowledge of future events dates back to whatever interactions she will have with Jack and Kate, along with Daniel’s journal entries/equations. Since 1977 she has known that she killed Daniel and that in 2008 she will tell Jack and the O6 to get on Ajira Flight 316, because the 2008 version of Jack and Kate tell her that is what happened/ how they got back.

That would be interesting because then where does the information regarding 316 originate? Guess it would be a Jinn, then…

So 2008 Hawking’s future knowledge ends with Jack and Co. boarding Ajira 316, and thus her comment to Penelope in the hospital.

]]> By: Best. Show. Ever. http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36058 Best. Show. Ever. Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:05:04 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36058 I don't remember seeing anything about Jeremy Davies talking to Jeff Jensen (did I miss it in one of his columns?). Where can I find this? I don’t remember seeing anything about Jeremy Davies talking to Jeff Jensen (did I miss it in one of his columns?). Where can I find this?

]]> By: Lesmanaste http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36055 Lesmanaste Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:52:55 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36055 WiRED, issue 11:08, 2003. WiRED, issue 11:08, 2003.

]]> By: Amberlina42 http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36054 Amberlina42 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:48:58 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36054 I think it was a mistake. If I remeber right, Damon and Carlton blamed Mader and she called them doo doo heads or somthing like that. I think it was a mistake. If I remeber right, Damon and Carlton blamed Mader and she called them doo doo heads or somthing like that.

]]> By: RandomZombie http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36051 RandomZombie Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:15:40 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36051 I do believe that Desmond is special, as Daniel has said. It's no coincidence that the story of his survival is shown in an episode featuring Daniel and titled "The Variable." I don't believe that his unique position will be used in the past, however, but in the "present" of 2007. Fate will come into play in the upcoming struggle, and Desmond will be the wild card - with him in the mix, anything could happen. I do believe that Desmond is special, as Daniel has said. It’s no coincidence that the story of his survival is shown in an episode featuring Daniel and titled “The Variable.”
I don’t believe that his unique position will be used in the past, however, but in the “present” of 2007. Fate will come into play in the upcoming struggle, and Desmond will be the wild card – with him in the mix, anything could happen.

]]> By: RandomZombie http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/wild-speculation-the-variable/comment-page-1/#comment-36050 RandomZombie Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:10:59 +0000 http://www.docarzt.com/?p=6959#comment-36050 The clashes between Ben and Charles seem more personal than anything. Charles wants back what he believes belongs to him, and Ben wants to keep what he feels he rightfully acquired. Both of their end goals are the same, what's up for grabs is who gets to lead the charge to victory. That argument may be pointless now, seeing that the island has chosen Locke as the new leader. Eloise may be forced to work with these men, hating Charles because of their past and disliking Ben on general principle - but having to tolerate him because he was apparently chosen by the island. She'll calmly reset the bricks into their proper places while the other two recklessly tussle and knock them down. As for the 'other' side - if they are involved with Dharma, then they aren't being introduced late in the game. They've been around since the Swan hatch was opened. These are just some new faces. The clashes between Ben and Charles seem more personal than anything. Charles wants back what he believes belongs to him, and Ben wants to keep what he feels he rightfully acquired. Both of their end goals are the same, what’s up for grabs is who gets to lead the charge to victory. That argument may be pointless now, seeing that the island has chosen Locke as the new leader.
Eloise may be forced to work with these men, hating Charles because of their past and disliking Ben on general principle – but having to tolerate him because he was apparently chosen by the island. She’ll calmly reset the bricks into their proper places while the other two recklessly tussle and knock them down.

As for the ‘other’ side – if they are involved with Dharma, then they aren’t being introduced late in the game. They’ve been around since the Swan hatch was opened. These are just some new faces.

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