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		<title>By: xiaonia</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: thaitourde</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking the time to explain this in a way thats so easy to understand.</description>
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		<title>By: The Great Geek Manual &#187; Geek Media Round-Up: February 10, 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Great Geek Manual &#187; Geek Media Round-Up: February 10, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: imfromthepast</title>
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		<dc:creator>imfromthepast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whatever the reason for Danielle not treating Jin like someone she knew, it is no excuse for crying paradox, that&#039;s all I&#039;m saying.

It&#039;s like, &quot;Oooh, there&#039;s a problem. This episode indicates that Danielle knew Jin prior to the 815 crash!&quot;

Why say it&#039;s a paradox, when any mundane explanation would suffice.

Anytime I run into someone I met years ago that doesn&#039;t recognize me, I am much more apt to assume a mundane explanation as opposed to think the universe is about to implode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whatever the reason for Danielle not treating Jin like someone she knew, it is no excuse for crying paradox, that&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like, &#8220;Oooh, there&#8217;s a problem. This episode indicates that Danielle knew Jin prior to the 815 crash!&#8221;</p>
<p>Why say it&#8217;s a paradox, when any mundane explanation would suffice.</p>
<p>Anytime I run into someone I met years ago that doesn&#8217;t recognize me, I am much more apt to assume a mundane explanation as opposed to think the universe is about to implode.</p>
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		<title>By: clueless1der</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to your use of hyperbole. I fully admit that I&#039;m not exactly the first to understand all of this, and I do certainly appreciate your attempt to spell it out.  Inasmuch as this is a fictitious television show depicting something that hasn&#039;t been proven, (yet lol) it made great sense. 

I just have one teeny weeny observation. 
   
&quot;Expecting Danielle to recognize Jin after 16 years assumes he doesn’t time jump away five minutes into next week’s episode. ....&quot;

I don&#039;t know about that. Remembering someone you see for a brief moment in time (if he does indeed jump away soonish) after being mostly alone on an island for 16 years would make you recognize anyone you had seen in that span of time- simply because you wouldn&#039;t have other faces to confuse things with. But... Danielle is hardly stable. She is *petrified* of Smokey and the people who took her baby away from her. She might recognize Jin and then not trust herself- not trust what she saw later as real. Certainly that would explain why she stuck to the background whenever Jin was around...

Sorry. I tend to focus on really insignificant parts of the bigger picture.  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to your use of hyperbole. I fully admit that I&#8217;m not exactly the first to understand all of this, and I do certainly appreciate your attempt to spell it out.  Inasmuch as this is a fictitious television show depicting something that hasn&#8217;t been proven, (yet lol) it made great sense. </p>
<p>I just have one teeny weeny observation. </p>
<p>&#8220;Expecting Danielle to recognize Jin after 16 years assumes he doesn’t time jump away five minutes into next week’s episode. &#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about that. Remembering someone you see for a brief moment in time (if he does indeed jump away soonish) after being mostly alone on an island for 16 years would make you recognize anyone you had seen in that span of time- simply because you wouldn&#8217;t have other faces to confuse things with. But&#8230; Danielle is hardly stable. She is *petrified* of Smokey and the people who took her baby away from her. She might recognize Jin and then not trust herself- not trust what she saw later as real. Certainly that would explain why she stuck to the background whenever Jin was around&#8230;</p>
<p>Sorry. I tend to focus on really insignificant parts of the bigger picture.  <img src='http://www.docarzt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: imfromthepast</title>
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		<dc:creator>imfromthepast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I misunderstood some of your questions, but my answer is the same. I don&#039;t think the O6 and the Left Behinders are going to be in sync when the O6 return. It would be much more interesting if they aren&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I misunderstood some of your questions, but my answer is the same. I don&#8217;t think the O6 and the Left Behinders are going to be in sync when the O6 return. It would be much more interesting if they aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: imfromthepast</title>
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		<dc:creator>imfromthepast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you can&#039;t please everyone.

Regarding your question:

There are two perspectives operating on the show now. That of the O6, which is shared by the rest of the world, and that of the Left Behinders, who are jumping through time on the Island.

To the O6, three years have passed since Ben turned the wheel, so to them it is 2007.

To the Left Behinders a much smaller time has passed since Ben turned the wheel. They have accrued a certain amount of time. We don&#039;t know exactly how much time, but we can guess it&#039;s been about a day or two. 

The important thing to keep in mind is there is no correlation between the LBs and the O6. It is entirely an editorial choice which events to display when. In other words there is no universal clock for the two groups. It is not as if when Jin arrived on shore with Danielle on the Island, the O6 were simultaneously meeting at the marina with Ben. These events are shown concurrently in the episode, but that is just an editorial choice. Jin and the French team arrived on the Island in 1988. Chronologically speaking this event took place 19 years before Ben told Kate that he was the one behind the custody suit. 

The answer to your question about the difference between the O6&#039;s clock and the LB&#039;s clock will have to wait until the two are brought together and they can compare clocks.

I will tell you this, it is much more likely that the O6&#039;s clock will be ahead of the LB&#039;s clock by a significant amount, but that is ultimately in Darlton&#039;s hands.

I would tend to think that you are right, that when the two groups are finally reunited Sawyer will probably ask who the little boy is and will be shocked that he is &#039;baby&#039; Aaron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you can&#8217;t please everyone.</p>
<p>Regarding your question:</p>
<p>There are two perspectives operating on the show now. That of the O6, which is shared by the rest of the world, and that of the Left Behinders, who are jumping through time on the Island.</p>
<p>To the O6, three years have passed since Ben turned the wheel, so to them it is 2007.</p>
<p>To the Left Behinders a much smaller time has passed since Ben turned the wheel. They have accrued a certain amount of time. We don&#8217;t know exactly how much time, but we can guess it&#8217;s been about a day or two. </p>
<p>The important thing to keep in mind is there is no correlation between the LBs and the O6. It is entirely an editorial choice which events to display when. In other words there is no universal clock for the two groups. It is not as if when Jin arrived on shore with Danielle on the Island, the O6 were simultaneously meeting at the marina with Ben. These events are shown concurrently in the episode, but that is just an editorial choice. Jin and the French team arrived on the Island in 1988. Chronologically speaking this event took place 19 years before Ben told Kate that he was the one behind the custody suit. </p>
<p>The answer to your question about the difference between the O6&#8217;s clock and the LB&#8217;s clock will have to wait until the two are brought together and they can compare clocks.</p>
<p>I will tell you this, it is much more likely that the O6&#8217;s clock will be ahead of the LB&#8217;s clock by a significant amount, but that is ultimately in Darlton&#8217;s hands.</p>
<p>I would tend to think that you are right, that when the two groups are finally reunited Sawyer will probably ask who the little boy is and will be shocked that he is &#8216;baby&#8217; Aaron.</p>
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		<title>By: dreamingof8a</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s cos Desmond sort of &#039;exists twice&#039; at the time Daniel talks to him on the Island: Once on the Island and once off-island on his boat in another timeline.
On the other hand, Richard (btw, which one is &quot;Richmond&quot;? ;-) only &#039;exists once&#039;, on island and Locke is sort of catching the train of his (single) timeline. Richard is just living his live on from the moment Locke talks to him and so he obviously knows about the conversation from now on.
Please correct me if I got that wrong ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s cos Desmond sort of &#8216;exists twice&#8217; at the time Daniel talks to him on the Island: Once on the Island and once off-island on his boat in another timeline.<br />
On the other hand, Richard (btw, which one is &#8220;Richmond&#8221;? <img src='http://www.docarzt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  only &#8216;exists once&#8217;, on island and Locke is sort of catching the train of his (single) timeline. Richard is just living his live on from the moment Locke talks to him and so he obviously knows about the conversation from now on.<br />
Please correct me if I got that wrong &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tonymcnitt</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks imfromthepast,

I don&#039;t see why people thought you were being condescending or arrogant. I thought your post made total sense and it really helped me a lot to understanding this whole season, which I&#039;m loving every minute of.

I do have a question that&#039;s been plagueing me more than all the others, and it may sound silly but I just need a clear and simple answer if anyone can help me.

Although time is kind of relative now, what is the difference in time on the island vs. on land where the O6 are. I mean, I know the Left Behinder&#039;s are jumping around so time is kind of relative but hours are still passing for them as people, just in the same way the hours are passing for the O6. So if it&#039;s been 3 years for the O6, then how much time has gone by for the Left Behinders?

Another way to ask it is if there are approximately 8,766 hours in a year, then 26,298 hours have gone by for the O6 since they left the island. So how many hours have gone by for the Left Behinders. Judging by the way the show has been going, it only seems like it&#039;s been a day or two since the Freighter blew up and Ben turned the FDW.

Are the events on the island supposed to be past events? Or am I to assume that they are happening concurrently with the O6 events? When the O6 come back, will we see the Left Behinder&#039;s 3 years after all the things we&#039;ve been seeing so far from them? Like, will they be 3 years older? 

I know that was like 10 questions to really just ask the one. And as I said, it has been bugging me so please, someone help me.

Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks imfromthepast,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see why people thought you were being condescending or arrogant. I thought your post made total sense and it really helped me a lot to understanding this whole season, which I&#8217;m loving every minute of.</p>
<p>I do have a question that&#8217;s been plagueing me more than all the others, and it may sound silly but I just need a clear and simple answer if anyone can help me.</p>
<p>Although time is kind of relative now, what is the difference in time on the island vs. on land where the O6 are. I mean, I know the Left Behinder&#8217;s are jumping around so time is kind of relative but hours are still passing for them as people, just in the same way the hours are passing for the O6. So if it&#8217;s been 3 years for the O6, then how much time has gone by for the Left Behinders?</p>
<p>Another way to ask it is if there are approximately 8,766 hours in a year, then 26,298 hours have gone by for the O6 since they left the island. So how many hours have gone by for the Left Behinders. Judging by the way the show has been going, it only seems like it&#8217;s been a day or two since the Freighter blew up and Ben turned the FDW.</p>
<p>Are the events on the island supposed to be past events? Or am I to assume that they are happening concurrently with the O6 events? When the O6 come back, will we see the Left Behinder&#8217;s 3 years after all the things we&#8217;ve been seeing so far from them? Like, will they be 3 years older? </p>
<p>I know that was like 10 questions to really just ask the one. And as I said, it has been bugging me so please, someone help me.</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: imfromthepast</title>
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		<dc:creator>imfromthepast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one compass, however, by virtue of being brought to 1954 and left with Richard, there are 2 copies of it, coexisting for a little while, until Richard gives the younger of the two to Locke, leaving one. 

This assumes that Richard has his own compass in 1954, when Locke shows him his. It is a safe assumption because the compass would serve no purpose unless it had meaning to Richard in some way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one compass, however, by virtue of being brought to 1954 and left with Richard, there are 2 copies of it, coexisting for a little while, until Richard gives the younger of the two to Locke, leaving one. </p>
<p>This assumes that Richard has his own compass in 1954, when Locke shows him his. It is a safe assumption because the compass would serve no purpose unless it had meaning to Richard in some way.</p>
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		<title>By: imfromthepast</title>
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		<dc:creator>imfromthepast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you still want to argue with me because of my Tongue-In-Cheek way of writing, but can&#039;t find fault with my reasoning, I misspelled some words for you. 

you can criticize them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you still want to argue with me because of my Tongue-In-Cheek way of writing, but can&#8217;t find fault with my reasoning, I misspelled some words for you. </p>
<p>you can criticize them.</p>
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		<title>By: imfromthepast</title>
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		<dc:creator>imfromthepast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are having trouble with my Flashback metaphor, try thinking of it this way:

Daniel said the Island is like a record that is skipping. In this approach, the history of the Island is likened to the grove of the record, or the song, and the Left Behinders are represented by the needle. The time jumps are like the needle skipping to different parts of the song.

Here&#039;s the point: The song doesn&#039;t change. When a record skips, you get to hear different parts of the song, but this doesn&#039;t mean the artist is rerecording the song every time the record skips. 
What happened, happened.
You can&#039;t change anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are having trouble with my Flashback metaphor, try thinking of it this way:</p>
<p>Daniel said the Island is like a record that is skipping. In this approach, the history of the Island is likened to the grove of the record, or the song, and the Left Behinders are represented by the needle. The time jumps are like the needle skipping to different parts of the song.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the point: The song doesn&#8217;t change. When a record skips, you get to hear different parts of the song, but this doesn&#8217;t mean the artist is rerecording the song every time the record skips.<br />
What happened, happened.<br />
You can&#8217;t change anything.</p>
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		<title>By: imfromthepast</title>
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		<dc:creator>imfromthepast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Duh!</description>
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		<title>By: imfromthepast</title>
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		<dc:creator>imfromthepast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not saying the time jumps are flashbacks, just that they have the same impact on the present, as in they are in the past. 
If a time jump brings them to an episode in Season 1, such as Aaron&#039;s birth, the events will play out just as they did when it happened in Season 1.

If the camera angle had been right, I&#039;m sure we could have seen Sawyer hiding in the bushes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not saying the time jumps are flashbacks, just that they have the same impact on the present, as in they are in the past.<br />
If a time jump brings them to an episode in Season 1, such as Aaron&#8217;s birth, the events will play out just as they did when it happened in Season 1.</p>
<p>If the camera angle had been right, I&#8217;m sure we could have seen Sawyer hiding in the bushes.</p>
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		<title>By: switch</title>
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		<dc:creator>switch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>imfromthepast has a point, why couldn&#039;t the show&#039;s notion of time travel be as simple as that?

he has raised very informative points, just as other comment-ers noted. and I myself believe that the science behind the show is not supposed to be complex; Lost ain&#039;t shown on the Discovery channel. get what I mean?

on a final note, Lost is supposed to be a work of fiction. its just a show on TV for crying out loud. I know we&#039;re all obsessed fans, but please, nobody needs to get all cranky and Einstein-y about it. let&#039;s all enjoy it and get increasingly confused by it and make up wild theories about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>imfromthepast has a point, why couldn&#8217;t the show&#8217;s notion of time travel be as simple as that?</p>
<p>he has raised very informative points, just as other comment-ers noted. and I myself believe that the science behind the show is not supposed to be complex; Lost ain&#8217;t shown on the Discovery channel. get what I mean?</p>
<p>on a final note, Lost is supposed to be a work of fiction. its just a show on TV for crying out loud. I know we&#8217;re all obsessed fans, but please, nobody needs to get all cranky and Einstein-y about it. let&#8217;s all enjoy it and get increasingly confused by it and make up wild theories about it.</p>
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