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By: Heidi

Heidi — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:47:51 +0000

Zonker: Agree with neither Jacob or MIB being the guy in charge. I think the entity that appeared in the cabin when Ben lied and brought Locke to Jacob is neither Jacob or MIB but another entity. And I believe that entity has something to do with Desmond. His hair looks like Desmond’s hair. His brown eye looks like Desmond’s eye. I think ProfStotch is almost right on the money with this article. It is suspicious that we don’t know about Desmond’s parentage and I agree it will be someone important. I think the entity who said “Help Me” is either Desmond or his ancestor and is someone god-like.

By: JimmyFord

JimmyFord — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:30:14 +0000

In deed, quite a conundrum. And I like your Never-before-seen (or maybe we have?) UBU-force calling the shots here trying set things straight. I can totally buy into that and it would be pretty cool to see. However, what if the timeline is still in place?? Jughead actually caused the Incident (as Miles had presumed), but it didn’t blow up the hatch. It just reacted with the EM and caused the sky to turn white/purple again and poor Juliet died from injuries relating to the fall. Subsequently, Dharma is able to finish the hatch and while doing so notice that the EM force gets progressively stronger and realize they need to build a pressurized chamber to release this EM energy build-up, say every 108 minutes or so. They also built a failsafe that simply collapses itself on on top of this pocket of energy to preventing it from escaping into the atmosphere. Timeline and WHH preserved. S6, therefore, could be what happens to Jack,Kate,Sawyer,Hurley,and Sayid once they cause the Incident. Does the island transport them out of there since they no longer belong? And if it does, to when do they go? And once they’re there, will they have a whole bunch more paradoxes to cause? That’s Lost to me, for every answer, you get 100 more questions. But this is it! Story over, so some sort of resolution/course correction must be in the works. It’s fun to think of the possibilities though. Thanks for sharing.

By: Zonker

Zonker — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:14:33 +0000

You’re exactly right. It is a paradox. So either we have multiple branching timelines, with things like Ajira Flight 316 allowed to travel between timelines, or else we have the paradox being the reason why the Unseen-Powers-That-Be step in during Season 6 to correct that paradox.

If we are to believe the Comicon videos (those aren’t forbidden spoilers, right?), then the producers have abandoned whatever-happened-happened. The timeline has apparently been changed, and by the very people who now will not be in a position to enact that change in their new timeline.

Oy vey

By: Handsome Smitty

Handsome Smitty — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:40:15 +0000

“The Incident” was the drilling into the zero-point energy source within THE(?) Island. Dharma managed to contain the leak, set up Jughead as the failsafe. Timeline A, as Zonker says, “Boom: purple sky even.” That’s Lost as we know it.

Timeline B (Zonker) detonates Jughead early, wipes out the Dharma Initiative experiment. That’s Lost we haven’t seen.

BUT – if “A” is prevented by “B,” how did Ajira have Locke’s body…and how is the Ajira6 occur-able?

Man, I just aints smart enough to figure that out.

By: Zonker

Zonker — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:13:44 +0000

@JimmyFord “If so, then what’s your take with the O6 coming back to the island to detonate Jughead earlier? Who/what set this up? Jacob, of course, is an obvious answer, but for what purpose? To close a loophole that hadn’t formed yet? Weird…”

This is one of the things that bugged me with the S5 finale: If Jughead went off and destroyed the EM anomoly that originally crashed 815, then Locke never made it to the island, so unLocke never got into position to have Jacob killed, so Jacob is saved, the story’s over, no need for Season 6. I jokingly said at the time maybe the S6 storyline would be to go back and kill Jacob *again.* And now I wonder if something like that is going to be the S6 endgame: It would be entirely in character for the Lost producers to pull back the camera yet again and show us that Jacob and the MiB are themselves just mid-level players, with someone else really calling the shots. Consider: we’ve thought first Locke, then Dharma, then Ben, then the Others, then Hawking, then Widmore, and now Jacob were each “in charge” only to find out later that they knew less about what was going on than the audience was led to believe.

So if that’s the way this plays out, then something like this might be the scenario:
1- MiB brings Ajira 316 back to the island in order to use Ben and Locke’s corpse for his plan.
2- Jacob intercepts Jack/Kate/Sayid/Hurley and flashes them back to 1977 to detonate Jughead, wiping out the MiB’s plan.
3- But the real man behind the curtain doesn’t like either of these scenarios, and so over the span of Season 6 institutes a course-correction to bring things back the way they were intended to be.

There are some problems with this, such as why Jacob sent Ilana on Ajira 316 but left her in 2007? But the central idea of someone else behind Jacob & MiB seems very typical of how they like to structure this show!

By: JimmyFord

JimmyFord — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:02:06 +0000

Yeah, I hear you, Zonk, and it’s certainly reasonable (if there is such a thing in Lost). I guess I would prefer to see Timeline A be explored a little more. If Timeline A shared any continuity with Timeline B

If so, then what’s your take with the O6 coming back to the island to detonate Jughead earlier? Who/what set this up? Jacob, of course, is an obvious answer, but for what purpose? To close a loophole that hadn’t formed yet? Weird…

By: JimmyFord

JimmyFord — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:43:48 +0000

OK, I won’t, but specail is spelled special

By: Zonker

Zonker — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:41:43 +0000

I think you’re confused regarding the timelines. I believe what’s being proposed is this:

Timeline A (pre-Ajira 316): Jughead somehow gets installed as the Swan Station failsafe, requiring as you say its relocation from the Barracks to the Swan. In 2002 Desmond turns the key activating the failsafe. Boom: purple sky event.

Timeline B (Jack/Kate/Sayid/Hurley return to 1975 via Ajira 316): Jack moves Jughead to the Swan and Juliet detonates it. Boom: fade to white.

If true, it simply means in Timeline A there was no return by Jack/Kate/Sayid/Hurley and something else was the Incident Dr. Chang spoke about on the orientation film.

By: ZooBot23

ZooBot23 — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:13:07 +0000

Please don’t hold it against me that I typed “believe” wrong in my first sentence. I promise that I know how to spell simple words…really.

By: ZooBot23

ZooBot23 — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:11:46 +0000

Okay, first, I beleive that being the leader of the Others certainly gave Eloise specail knowledge. Having said that…I believe that ALL of her future knowledge came from Daniel’s journal. This knowledge is so important that she makes certain that the journal is created, even as it tragically kills her son.
Also, the two important Eloise quotes concerning Desmond:
“You may not like your path, Desmond, but pushing that button is the only truly great thing that you will ever do.”
and
“The island isn’t finished with you, Desmond.”

This implies that whatever Desmond has left to do…it won’t be great.
But, I hope it’s awesome.

By: JimmyFord

JimmyFord — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:07:23 +0000

Jughead could very well have been the fail safe (maybe we’ll know for sure this season), but what bothers me is that Jughead was nowhere near the hatch. Richard and Ellie stored it in the catacombs beneath the Dharma barracks. From what I remember the barracks and the hatch are quite some distance away…also, Jughead was pretty much in tact when they found it (except for it’s perpetual radiation leak), which, in the linear timespace of the O6 lives happened after Desmond flipped the switch…

Time/space theory + nuclear physics + electomagnetic properties = total confusion but some good as sh^t TV!

By: KoRoBaRo

KoRoBaRo — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:43:50 +0000

If Desmond was Jacob’s son…then it would explain why they thought it was Desmond’s eye looking back at Hurley when he peeked inside Jacob’s Cabin’s window. Also, if Eloise is Desmond’s mother…it could explain why Charles Widmore hates Desmond and knocks him at every turn…pure, old fashion Spite.

By: Madge

Madge — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:28:43 +0000

Desmond being Charlie’s father would give more meaning to the Abraham/Isaac parallel as well. Will Jacob spare Charlie and God spared Isaac?

By: mirth23

mirth23 — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:49:06 +0000

Don’t forget there was another possible Desmond/Charlie connection in “Greatest Hits”. As Charlie is about to jump into the swimming pool, a kid in the background clearly calls out, “Come on, let’s go! Desmond!” I think that was meant as another hint of Desmond and Charlie’s connection, but it would also imply that they were around the same age at the time.

By: Bezmina

Bezmina — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:20:14 +0000

It strikes me that Mr Widmore is a Charles and never a Charlie.

By: neoloki

neoloki — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:57:14 +0000

If Jacob has a child it does not have to be a notable character, plus why couldn’t it be a daughter?

By: Iwantmykidneyback

Iwantmykidneyback — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:49:53 +0000

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By: lost_grrl

lost_grrl — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:54:07 +0000

I began to seriously consider a connection between Des and Charlie as soon as I heard that Des and Penny named their child Charlie. In a normal family it would be no big deal to give your son your father’s name but in this case I cannot imagine either Des or Penny wanting to honor Charles Widmore in an way. Obviously one could argue that it was simply to honor a friend whose sacrifice made it possible for the two of them to reunite but I think there is something else here…something that is so powerful that Penny and Des HAD to name their child Charlie despite all of the negative feelings that might surface each time they say their own child’s name.

By: sv

sv — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:32:48 +0000

Interesting…
The only notable character I can think of that we’ve not seen as a kid and/or know nothing about the parent is Frank Lapidus…who is a “candidate” for we-don’t-know-what-yet…
Mmmmhhhh yummy

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By: neoloki

neoloki — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:00:53 +0000

so Daniel is going to end up being the leader of the Island in season 6?

sorry, that is funny. and not likely. not even remotely likely. especially since richard wasn’t even convinced that detonating Jughad was a reasonable thing to do.

Richard was referring to Eloise.

By: Handsome Smitty

Handsome Smitty — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:07:35 +0000

Oh God let’s hope not. But still, Des is a good soul, that’s all that matters.