Look, the terminology might not sit well with you, but I assure you that it’s accurate. Just as there are higher ups then me who control my on-clock decisions. It’s not like I’m a puppet master, by no means am I trying to claim that. However I AM definitly held accountable for nearly any mistake my guys and girls (said with affection) make. *shrug* It’s just the way the company works.

Besides… you ducked the point I was making didn’t you? What I’m saying is that control over something does not make you a part of it in my mind, so I see no justification in saying Jacob = smokey. Sorry if my disagreeing with your question offends you. If it bothers you so, feel free to not respond.

i think mrs. hawking, widmore, ben, et al are part of some group not wanting anyone to find the island.

hmmm.

I control my dog, my computer, 60 or so employees, and my thermostat… know what I mean?

As far as Mrs. Hawking being proven wrong or Desmond’s image of Claire getting on the helicopter, I think we all need to remember two simple words: people lie. We so often try to decide what percent of a typical Ben statement is a lie but we take nearly everyone else exactly at their word. This seems so foolish. People intentionally lie and are sometimes unintentionally wrong.

Desmond figuring out how to stay alive for the moment by calling Penny doesn’t tell us anything about the rules being invalidated either. Mrs. Hawking’s rules leave an awful lot of wiggle room–maybe Des was actually NOT supposed to die, so he didn’t.

A better question might be: Who is Ben’s constant? C&L said that Ben did not have “flashes”, but perhaps Ben’s consciousness can timejump in a controlled fashion. This would explain several of Ben’s quips like “we’ve done this before”, etc.

Also, Ms. Hawking is clearly telling lies. The example she used to convince Desmond was the red-shoed man getting killed. C&L have said they are “anti-paradox”, so life (and death) hold true in the past, present, and future. However, past consciousness can clearly change future (not paradoxical) events — we saw that last night!

Personally, I’d like my conscious to jump to May 2010 so I can watch the last episode and finally understand what the hell all this means!

I think Magnus Hanso has developed into Jacob. Magnus Hanso, as the owner of the New World Sea Traders who owned The Black Rock, was also the captain on The Black Rock’s last known voyage in 1881. (I think this was according to info we learned through Find815.com, or maybe The Lost Experience).

Perhaps Magnus was “unstuck” upon his arrival on the island (a serious tsunami could throw that ship to the middle of the island at a non-particular bearing, resulting in contact with high levels of electromagnetic phenonmenon), but can still (sometimes) maintain contact with (some) of the other surviving crew from The Black Rock. The surviving crew from the Black Rock are whom we have come to know as “The Hostiles”, or “The island’s original inhabitants”.

Ok – I’m a little off track from the original post, but want to make these comments:

I agree that Jacob (Magnus?) is a pure consciousness (not physical), but manifest himself in physical form as needed to commune with others on the island (Eko, Locke, Jack, Kate, Ben, Hurley, Shannon, Boone and maybe others I’m missing here).

I also agree that Smokey and Jacob are one and the same…many have posted theories about them being opposites – dark vs. light and good vs. evil…but I suspect they are one and the same, but behave different toward different people at different times…all based on what is going on at the time…Perhaps to protect the island?

As for the Island being Jacob’s constant? Well, I reserve an answer until further review, but offer a few other possibilities (especially if Jacob really is Magnus…could The Black Rock be Jacob’s constant? could the journal that Widmore purchased be Jacob’s constant?

jacob is not the smoke monster, the smoke monester was part of a dharma project, on the map on the blast door of the hatch there is a marking that says location of catastrophic cerberus station malfunction incident 1985. the producers have confirmed that the cerberus is the black smoke.
you can find the map enlarge here http://homepage.mac.com/c_bowers/.pictures/blastdoormap.jpg

JACOB IS NO THE BLACK SMOKE

Now my question is why would Tovard be doing this, the Hanso family is filthy rich, unless Tovard perhaps isn’t.

Magnus and Alvar are not the same person, Magnus’s body has already been buried, as can be seen on the blast door map (check the different Hanso family members here: http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Hanso).

I also wonder if the creepy voices Sayid heard in season 1 are the voices of Danielle’s crew, permanently displaced in time, but trapped by electromagnetism on the Island?

I think Magnus Hanso has developed into Jacob. Magnus Hanso, as the owner of the New World Sea Traders who owned The Black Rock, was also the captain on The Black Rock’s last known voyage in 1881. (I think this was according to info we learned through Find815.com, or maybe The Lost Experience).

Perhaps Magnus was “unstuck” upon his arrival on the island (a serious tsunami could throw that ship to the middle of the island at a non-particular bearing, resulting in contact with high levels of electromagnetic phenonmenon), but can still (sometimes) maintain contact with (some) of the other surviving crew from The Black Rock. The surviving crew from the Black Rock are whom we have come to know as “The Hostiles”, or “The island’s original inhabitants”.

Ok – I’m a little off track from the original post, but want to make these comments:

I agree that Jacob (Magnus?) is a pure consciousness (not physical), but manifest himself in physical form as needed to commune with others on the island (Eko, Locke, Jack, Kate, Ben, Hurley, Shannon, Boone and maybe others I’m missing here).

I also agree that Smokey and Jacob are one and the same…many have posted theories about them being opposites – dark vs. light and good vs. evil…but I suspect they are one and the same, but behave different toward different people at different times…all based on what is going on at the time…Perhaps to protect the island?

As for the Island being Jacob’s constant? Well, I reserve an answer until further review, but offer a few other possibilities (especially if Jacob really is Magnus…could The Black Rock be Jacob’s constant? could the journal that Widmore purchased be Jacob’s constant?

Anywho…thrilling episode. I was captivated for a full hour and frustrated my FF button on the DVR didn’t work on live tv during the commerical breaks!

I think everyone’e theories are a smidgen correct. This one too.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar_hanso