Comments on: Looking at the Little Things: 5.11 “Whatever Happened, Happened”

By: DHARMA Agent

DHARMA Agent — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:48:11 +0000

Nice article, but I feel ad hominem attacks on the actors, (eg, “old ferret face”) detract from the overall quality of the writing.

By: LOST Mise-en-scène: 511 “Whatever Happened, Happened” - DocArzt’s LOST Blog

Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:01:41 +0000

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By: Carl Dene

Carl Dene — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:43:36 +0000

Can I taste yo Juice!

By: Dolce

Dolce — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:27:41 +0000

excerpts*

By: Dolce

Dolce — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:24:02 +0000

Two excerrts from Lostpedia:
Claire was involved in a car crash which caused her mother to fall into a coma for five years…

…Carole revived from her coma sometime after the crash. After the rescue of the Oceanic Six, she attended the funeral of Christian Shephard…

Not much detail, but it looks like has been adressed at some point. I don’t know when, must have missed it…

By: Henry Holland

Henry Holland — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:20:06 +0000

Well, OK, if you put it that way, it all makes sense!

No, seriously, I hadn’t thought it like that, it makes a perfectly coherent storyline for Season 6.

By: Andy

Andy — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:06:28 +0000

Sonya, I’m surprised you didn’t comment on the fact that Claire’s mom is supposed to be in a permanent vegetative state, and that the woman to whom Kate gave Aaron is, therefore, likely not to be Carole Littleton.

By: Dharmell

Dharmell — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:57:06 +0000

“Shippers” is one of those idiotic fan terms that people who think they’re hip use, even though it just makes them sound like dorks. It refers to people who believe two characters should be in a relationship. Those who bash “shippers” usually come off as pedantic and self-impressed.

By: Dolce

Dolce — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:34:54 +0000

Pulled from urban dictionary:relationshipper; One who believes there is, was, should, and could be a relationship between 2 characters in a certain fandom.
A fan devoted to a paticular couple/pairing in a fandom. Usually fanatical.

By: Uncle Beaver

Uncle Beaver — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:17:52 +0000

Sorry. I’m not to internet/computer savvy, but what the hell does “shippers” mean?

I didn’t even know what lol meant until a year ago.

By: Iwantmykidneyback

Iwantmykidneyback — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:05:33 +0000

I’m getting a strange feeling that pretty soon something is going to happen to break the consistency in the time travel that’s being experienced, or at least reveal that it might possible ala Daniel. If he knows that you can’t change the past, then why would he tell Charlotte not to come back? Maybe when Daniel finally shows back up he’ll tell everyone what he’s been doing this whole time and maybe he’s found some kind of way to break consistency. It just seems like since they’ve finally established the consistency so well that something mindblowing will happen to make my head explode.

By: brent

brent — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:48:22 +0000

If everyone that now knows the truth back in 2008 starts to put the pieces together, and they will, people are going to be looking for the Island. Not just 10 people. Hundreds, thousands. A place with magical healing properties? Not everyone is interested in keeping the Island safe. In fact, destroying the Island maybe be the way to save the rest of world.

The Island is not some fixed target but with the right amount of money, it will be found again. Heck, we already know there’s a way to find when and where it will be via the off-Island Lampost. And as the lie unravels in 2008, people are going to start digging in Ann Arbor, too. The Island becoming a bigger part of the rest of world seems very logical to me as a direction for season 6.

By: neoloki

neoloki — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:46:00 +0000

I am sorry and don’t mean to be totally rude but this isn’t in debate and the idea that sawyer meant clementine when he said I am doing it for her is asinine. At that point in the show clementine was not part of the conversation.
It was quite clear Sawyer’s implication was he was taking Ben to the Others for JULIET! End of debate.

By: Zonker

Zonker — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:17:59 +0000

No way. Sawyer’s known about Clementine since from before he first came to the island on Flight 815. I don’t remember him doing anything particularly special for Walt or Aaron up until now (other than killing Tom, but he had lots of reasons for doing that).

By: Frank

Frank — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:16:46 +0000

Re: Ben’s “Loss of Innocence”

At this stage in his life, there really is only one thing that’s keeping Ben from completely losing it — the belief that hiding somewhere beyond the fence, living amongst the hostiles, is his dear departed mother.

I think that what Richard means is that Ben, in the process of being ‘saved’ will also be clued into the fact that the apparition he saw and was so desperate to chase was in fact not his mother, but a manipulative trick of the island. Parallel this to how Eko, the island’s Man of Faith, gave up his quest for redemption when confronted with his Not-Brother. Ben Linus will be forced to sacrifice his greatest wish for his life, and in the process shred whatever faith he had in DI morality.

By: Frank

Frank — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:06:25 +0000

Re: Hurley recording the numbers that eventually drive Leonard Simms insane

I can just imagine poor, good hearted Hurley putting a special message in there just for him: “Hey, Mr. Simms, Dude, I know you don’t know me yet but I come from the future where you’re in a nuthouse. Well, we’re in one together, me because I see people who aren’t there, and you because you heard this message. Sorry, dude. Oh, I have a warning for you: never play these numbers in the lottery! Later, dude!”

By: Henry Holland

Henry Holland — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:40:27 +0000

Best couple on the show, bar none. I vote for “disbelief”, Ben isn’t that gullible.

the Ben Linus we all love to hate

Speak for yourself, I’ve loved Ben from the get-go because I was a Michael Emerson fan due to his guest stints on other shows. I would have been completely happy if The Others had wiped the Oceanic 815 people off the face of the earth at the end of season 2 and the story continued on, only it was about The Others. I care more about Mikhail than I do for any of the 815 people except John.

By: Henry Holland

Henry Holland — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:36:12 +0000

I don’t foresee all of the Oceanic survivors just keeping the lie going forever

Um, how can they, they’re gone from “the real world”, possibly forever. Jack, Kate, Hugo, Sayid and Sun (I’ll give Aaron a pass) are done in 2008, it’ll be the people they spilled their guts to that let the cat out of the bag.

It’s the World vs. The Island

Gawd, I hope not, that would be really lame because, simply, The Island can always move with a turn of the frozen donkey wheel, we’re suddenly supposed to believe it’s a fixed target?

By: Henry Holland

Henry Holland — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:31:34 +0000

I’ll never fail to be amazed at how parts of the fandom, no matter how explicit something is, will go off in totally the wrong direction on something. Of course he was talking about doing it for Juliet, just look at the context.

By: brent

brent — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:40:02 +0000

“Centricity” is a little harder to determine this year as almost all of them are multi-centric in some way. “Jughead” seemed more Desmond centric and I saw “The Little Prince” to be Kate/Aaron. But it doesn’t matter too much.

Sonya, thanks for another great post. It’s a long wait after the episode for your musings but it’s always worth it.

I definitely agree with the sentiment that “The Lie” is starting to unravel in a big way. I could see the season 6 premier being entitled “The Unraveling” the way we are headed at the moment. I believe the truth will come out. I don’t foresee all of the Oceanic survivors just keeping the lie going forever and smirking when they walk past each other in the real world. Nope, the world is going to find out about the Island. A war is coming. Who will be on who’s side? It’s not Widmore vs. Linus. It’s the World vs. The Island.

By: Gusteaux

Gusteaux — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:41:53 +0000

I thought The Little Prince was Desmond-centric.

By: GlueYourEyelids

GlueYourEyelids — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:37:06 +0000

Well, it’s not too far fetched. Perhaps he feels guilty for not having been there for his daughter and helping another kid is a way to atone for it. Many people instinctively feel more sympathy for children after they have become parents.

By: Wintermute

Wintermute — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:54:52 +0000

How could Sawyer’s helping Kate carry a dying boy into the woods of an island in 1977 in any way be done for Clementine? How could that possibly benefit her? That makes no sense at all.

He’s pretty explicit. He says he had a talk with Juliet and he’s doing it for her.

By: Mack

Mack — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:29:07 +0000

It is always a joy reading your writings and that is something I can’t say for a lot of Lost related material.

By: Gjay

Gjay — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:20:21 +0000

Hey Sonya, love the recap. I’m a constant reader at docarzt but very limited poster, however just wanted to say love the recap! You and Erika (over at DarkUFO) are by far my favorite recapers, love the humor. Also spot on about the classic feel of that ending with ben and johnny. Anyway cant wait for tomorrow! (In Australia)