Comments on: LOST – The Little Prince – 5×5

By: Desi's Brother

Desi's Brother — Sat, 07 Feb 2009 03:04:53 +0000

YOu need to read the article about time travel!

Jin has always been part of her past.

By: Dolce

Dolce — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:49:04 +0000

I’m with you.

By: Dolce

Dolce — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:47:34 +0000

But would’nt that mean Desmond would have almost immediately remembered meeting Faraday after the island disappeared, or within days after the island began jumping? head hurts

By: Axolotl

Axolotl — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:56:42 +0000

Could also be that memories tend to pop up at some time in the future AFTER the original time jump, which would make Rousseau remember Jin at the time of the island’s moving (if she were alive). Also, makes you wonder if John Locke is popping up in Widmore’s head right now.

By: Mrs. Alpert

Mrs. Alpert — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:49:22 +0000

nosebleeds, pregnancy, and time travel-

I don’t think they’ve backed themselves into a corner with this. It all makes sense-
nosebleeds and migraines = body’s attempt to protect the brain… the membrane encasing the brain gets signals crossed and thinks the brain is under attack. Time travel would cause trauma to the brain… leads to migraine and nosebleed…
pregnancy is also seen as an attack on the body (as seen by morning sickness in the first trimester). Maybe babies conceived on the island have some extra CGRP (calcitonin gene-related peptide = a cause of migraine & nosebleed…it signals that the brain is under attack) that they send to the mothers…. if the brain is under attack, wouldn’t the body want to kill the intruder?

time travel is not natural (neither is traveling across the world- jetlag) and pregnancy on the island is not natural because the island protects who it wants to… no need for reproduction.

By: imfromthepast

imfromthepast — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:48:02 +0000

thank you for restoring my faith that at least someone out there gets it.

BTW, I decided to try to help with this whole time travel issue by posting an article here about it.

read it here:

http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/time-travel-for-dummies/

By: imfromthepast

imfromthepast — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:46:37 +0000

yes, I know. I apologize. I take time travel waaaay too seriously.

By: timmer11

timmer11 — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:43:22 +0000

Well said imfromthepast.

As C.S. Lewis (the real one, not Charlotte) said – Our consciousness forces us to “view the whole self-consistent creative act as a series of successive events.”

Meaning past, present, and future have already happened – its just a matter of our consciousness catching up with it.

By: professorstotch

professorstotch — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:39:01 +0000

It’s ok. Calm down. Deep breaths.

By: imfromthepast

imfromthepast — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:00:42 +0000

THERE IS NO PARADOX!!!

By: imfromthepast

imfromthepast — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:59:23 +0000

Daniel said there is one street. You can go up the street or down the street, but you can not make a new street. So why is everyone still talking about ‘Original’ timelines?

Are you so set in your mental ruts that the concept of singular, universal, unchanging timelines that are self-consitant is that foreign to you?

Sheesh.

By: brent

brent — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:41:08 +0000

Yeah, something like that. But remember his window of past affecting future is relatively limited since he was only on the Island for about 3 years. I think the Left Behinders have flashed twice into that 2001-2004 timeframe so far but I’m not positive on that.

By: Geoff

Geoff — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:52:03 +0000

Desmond is the human form of the failsafe key?

By: brent

brent — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:20:45 +0000

I think the catch-all explanation is that Desmond is different. He is only one that can “acquire” new memories. Everyone else is SOL. So just remember that Des will defy everyone else’s logic.

Whatever happened, happened.

But if they get stuck in a loop or something, Desmond would be the key to free them from the loop. He doesn’t play by the rules.

By: Andy W.

Andy W. — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:43:06 +0000

The problem with the idea that this always happened is that it’s a classic paradox–the very thing the writers promise they’re avoiding.

On a separate note, people keep commenting on TheTailSection about the plagiarism of Doc’s articles, and TTS, surprisingly, is no longer deleting them.

By: Alaine

Alaine — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:42:02 +0000

It’s not that I can’t “grasp” the concept, it’s that I don’t agree with the concept. Desmond had no memory of Faraday’s visit until he woke up suddenly telling Penny it wasn’t a dream it was a memory. Desmond did not have the memory until Faraday went back and placed it there.
It’s not a separate time line, it’s a time line that was changed by someone in the past, Faraday.

By: Alaine

Alaine — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:29:36 +0000

Congratulations for finding the right words to explain why Rousseau doesn’t remember Jin. I totally agree, but everytime I tried to write about it, it was too confusing to explain. Good job!

By: Alaine

Alaine — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:26:21 +0000

I think babies conceived off the island (like Aaron) can be born safely on the island. Women who conceived on the island are the ones who die.

By: Justin

Justin — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:48:20 +0000

No they showed us the Alpert scene in the nursery ward out of scequence. They wanted us to think Alpert always knew of John. But he didn’t. He only went to see “baby Locke” after adult Locke told him to 2 yrs before his own birth. That would validate John’s story of time travel to Richard. The Alpert Scene only happened once. After John went back and told Alpert about it.

By: W. Axel Foley

W. Axel Foley — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:25:09 +0000

As far as Jin and Rousseau go, I have a question for everyone – do you remember everyone you have met 20 years ago? Especially after spending that time alone, in the jungle, going crazy?

There are no seperate timelines. Everything that we see happening in the flashes has ALWAYS happened – before even the Losties came to the Island. It is a hard concept to grasp but it is the rules. Oceanic 815 HAD to crash becuase they effected everything that happened before them.

By: erik

erik — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:28:31 +0000

Alex was not conceived ON the island.
Just like Claires baby..

Still leaves us with Sun…Ji Yeon was conceived ON the island, but perhaps Sun leaving makes things right before giving birth

By: bps

bps — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:25:03 +0000

I think its possible that Rousseau DOES remember Jin and either 1) She knows not to say anything or 2) she’s crazy and forgotten. I’m more likely to believe the 1st. Remember, Rousseau does tend to “stare” at people a lot.

By: playpause

playpause — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:53:08 +0000

And now, the question is : how come Rousseau has survived her pregnancy and giving birth to Alex ON the island ? Has Magic Juliet anything to do with this ?

By: rick

rick — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 03:13:08 +0000

i have a feelin though that was the original intent on introducing constants .. and the O6 are constants which is why they have to go back

By: Charlie's Ghost

Charlie's Ghost — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:10:14 +0000

The canoe scene was actually in the future. Remember the beach camp being abandoned?? I have a hunch that the people on the canoe shooting at Sawyer/Locke,etc, might be some of the same people on the canoe that’s being shot at. Almost a run-in of past and future versions of some of the characters. Didn’t you notice how they really blacked out the people shooting?