5 Questions.
1. The nosebleeds are (allegedly) happening to our time jumping Losties based on how much “exposure” they’ve had to the island. So Charlotte’s had the most exposure, Miles (who most of us are assuming is Chang’s son) has had the second most, and Juliet has had the third most.
We can safely assume Sawyer and Locke will start getting nosebleeds at about the same time, but what about Faraday? He SHOULD get his after Sawyer and Locke. If he bleeds before them, then the powers that be need to fill in some more blanks for us.
2. Rousseau knew Jin before she “knew” Jin. So why didn’t she recognize him during Seasons 1-4? Did she just forget in the intervening years? Catch a little bit of “The Sickness”?
3. Rousseau killed the other members of her team (including the father of her child) because of “The Sickness”. Is the sickness time jump related?
4. We could have had a “Future Sawyer meets Past Kate and Past Claire” Is it possible we’ve already had one and didn’t know it? We also could have had a “Future Locke meets Past Locke” moment. I’ll bet before the time hopping is done, we’ll get one. Maybe future Locke wears an Other disguise or something similar.
5. The shooters on the outrigger canoes are (methinks) survivors of the Ajira airlines crash. The label on the bottle of water our Losties found are still on the bottle, so I doubt they’ve been there very long. Definitely not 108 days long. Where’d they come up with the canoes? That wasn’t Karl’s canoe, was it?
5 Quick Hits
Juliet is a hell of a shot.
Ben is a jerk for yanking around Kate and Claire’s mom like that.
Birth scenes on TV are always awkward.
Sawyer tries to make me gay. Locke reminding me of Shannon brings me back.
Jin needs to stop getting on boats. It never ends well for him.
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dan has desmond as his constant .. no nosebleeds for him
Rousseau didn’t recognize Jin in seasons 1-4 because he wasn’t in her original past. They are all going back in time. The producers aren’t showing us what happened back in time. The same goes for Locke and Alpert. Alpert didn’t go see Locke because Locke told him to. Alpert went to go see Locke when Locke wasn’t in his original past. However, if the show does goes this way, it is a hole in the plot.
YOu need to read the article about time travel!
Jin has always been part of her past.
kurtau, you’re not making any sense to me. If Jin traveled back to the past and saw Rousseau then yes she should have recognized him in seasons 1-4. If the writers claim there is only 1 time line here then that’s exactly what should have happened.
ok well she didn’t…so explain that. if there is one timeline then how can people visit different parts of time for the first time and not see themselves if they weren’t there originally? so you’re saying john locke has always visited Richard Alpert in 1954 for 5 minutes and then he was gone?
She was nutty. She was clearly absent many of her mental faculties once the survivors crashed, so she could have just forgotten. And its not like her and Jin had that many heart-to-hearts.
Yes, I agree with you Hipster.
I don’t think the people on the boats were from Ajira airlines… how’d they get the canoes and the rifles on board the plane? I’m inclined to believe they were a crew Widmore sent in the past to try and ‘retrieve’ the island for him. Maybe…
And besides, if Rosseau later realised that there was time travel involved on the island, she may have just thought it best to keep quiet (especially considering English isn’t her native tongue, and at the time she knew Jin, he could barely speak any English… time travel is a difficult enough concept to explain in your own language, let alone somebody elses).
I know that Jin and Rousseau do not meet in the first season beacuse when she comes to the beach he is already gone on the raft with Micahel and Sawyer. Do they meet after that? I am rewatching the whole series but I am only at the beginning of season 2 and Rousseau has not made an appearence yet in 2?
The canoe scene was actually in the future. Remember the beach camp being abandoned?? I have a hunch that the people on the canoe shooting at Sawyer/Locke,etc, might be some of the same people on the canoe that’s being shot at. Almost a run-in of past and future versions of some of the characters. Didn’t you notice how they really blacked out the people shooting?
That’s a cop out. Yeah she needed extensive therapy (who wouldn’t?) but for the most part she was sane and alert.
“Birth scenes on TV are always awkward.”
Agreed.
Rick…they’re not conscienceness-travelling, so I don’t think Constants help in this circumstance.
i have a feelin though that was the original intent on introducing constants .. and the O6 are constants which is why they have to go back
I think what a few people are trying to get to with Jin/Rousseau is that he was not in her ORIGINAL memories of landing on the island, so she can’t remember him. Just like Desmond didn’t remember Daniel giving him the message until that night on the boat, when the memory was placed. The old Rouseau never met Jin, like the old Desmond never met Daniel. I hope I explained myself clearly.
you did, and that’s exactly what ive been saying, it wasn’t her original past and desmond is the only one who can have his past originally changed. this is why locke had no reason to tell alpert to go see him, because locke wasn’t in alpert’s original past and he went to see him anyway.
No they showed us the Alpert scene in the nursery ward out of scequence. They wanted us to think Alpert always knew of John. But he didn’t. He only went to see “baby Locke” after adult Locke told him to 2 yrs before his own birth. That would validate John’s story of time travel to Richard. The Alpert Scene only happened once. After John went back and told Alpert about it.
Congratulations for finding the right words to explain why Rousseau doesn’t remember Jin. I totally agree, but everytime I tried to write about it, it was too confusing to explain. Good job!
Could also be that memories tend to pop up at some time in the future AFTER the original time jump, which would make Rousseau remember Jin at the time of the island’s moving (if she were alive). Also, makes you wonder if John Locke is popping up in Widmore’s head right now.
But would’nt that mean Desmond would have almost immediately remembered meeting Faraday after the island disappeared, or within days after the island began jumping? head hurts
1. They’ve painted themselves into a bit of a corner with the nosebleeds. First pregnant women got them, then time hopping Desmonds got them and now island visitors who have overstayed their welcome. The women cured theirs by, well, dying. Time hopping Desmonds cured theirs by finding “constants”. Now the time hoppers get them and Farraday doesn’t suggest those suffering think pretty thoughts about people they love (constants), so I’m assuming this is a different variety. I was expecting that Faraday had put a baby in Charlotte’s belly, relegating her to the pregnant nose-bleed variety, but when Miles got his I hastily revised my theory.
2. Rousseau probably recognized Jin, but by that time she was 50% crazy and 50% I-don’t-give-a-damn. Easily explained by her attitude alone.
3. Not sure which direction the “sickness” will take, but we’ll likely be seeing more nosebleeds than a Top Model after party.
4. Good point about the disguises. That seems a good reason for them having worn them except they so easily discarded them later in the series. I think “whispers” will be the interaction between past/present Losties.
5. I think the Ajira survivors are the freshly returned (and trigger happy) Oceanic 6. Only Sawyer would have bad enough aim to miss a stationary, unsuspecting canoe full of targets, so I’m guessing the mysterious canoe was firing warning shots. Too bad nobody told sharpshooter McGrimace.
Quick Hits:
Juliet is a good shot. Hopefully she grazed Jack’s chin, making him unable to grow a beard for the remainder of the series.
Ben didn’t necessarily jerk Claire’s mom around. Sounds like he helped her get a settlement. He was as unimpressed with his take-Kate’s-baby-to-get-her-back-to-the-island ruse as I was. That was some sloppy con game.
LOL… when I saw Sawyer’s face looking at the birth I pictured him thinking “Holy crap! That’s where babies come from?!”
Jin needs to send his dashing good looks his royalty check, because the writers keep him perpetually befuddled and silent. He doesn’t get much opportunity to stretch his acting muscles.
And now, the question is : how come Rousseau has survived her pregnancy and giving birth to Alex ON the island ? Has Magic Juliet anything to do with this ?
I think babies conceived off the island (like Aaron) can be born safely on the island. Women who conceived on the island are the ones who die.
I think its possible that Rousseau DOES remember Jin and either 1) She knows not to say anything or 2) she’s crazy and forgotten. I’m more likely to believe the 1st. Remember, Rousseau does tend to “stare” at people a lot.
Alex was not conceived ON the island.
Just like Claires baby..
Still leaves us with Sun…Ji Yeon was conceived ON the island, but perhaps Sun leaving makes things right before giving birth
As far as Jin and Rousseau go, I have a question for everyone – do you remember everyone you have met 20 years ago? Especially after spending that time alone, in the jungle, going crazy?
There are no seperate timelines. Everything that we see happening in the flashes has ALWAYS happened – before even the Losties came to the Island. It is a hard concept to grasp but it is the rules. Oceanic 815 HAD to crash becuase they effected everything that happened before them.
It’s not that I can’t “grasp” the concept, it’s that I don’t agree with the concept. Desmond had no memory of Faraday’s visit until he woke up suddenly telling Penny it wasn’t a dream it was a memory. Desmond did not have the memory until Faraday went back and placed it there.
It’s not a separate time line, it’s a time line that was changed by someone in the past, Faraday.
I think the catch-all explanation is that Desmond is different. He is only one that can “acquire” new memories. Everyone else is SOL. So just remember that Des will defy everyone else’s logic.
Whatever happened, happened.
But if they get stuck in a loop or something, Desmond would be the key to free them from the loop. He doesn’t play by the rules.
Desmond is the human form of the failsafe key?
Yeah, something like that. But remember his window of past affecting future is relatively limited since he was only on the Island for about 3 years. I think the Left Behinders have flashed twice into that 2001-2004 timeframe so far but I’m not positive on that.
The problem with the idea that this always happened is that it’s a classic paradox–the very thing the writers promise they’re avoiding.
On a separate note, people keep commenting on TheTailSection about the plagiarism of Doc’s articles, and TTS, surprisingly, is no longer deleting them.
THERE IS NO PARADOX!!!
I’m with you.
Daniel said there is one street. You can go up the street or down the street, but you can not make a new street. So why is everyone still talking about ‘Original’ timelines?
Are you so set in your mental ruts that the concept of singular, universal, unchanging timelines that are self-consitant is that foreign to you?
Sheesh.
It’s ok. Calm down. Deep breaths.
yes, I know. I apologize. I take time travel waaaay too seriously.
Well said imfromthepast.
As C.S. Lewis (the real one, not Charlotte) said – Our consciousness forces us to “view the whole self-consistent creative act as a series of successive events.”
Meaning past, present, and future have already happened – its just a matter of our consciousness catching up with it.
thank you for restoring my faith that at least someone out there gets it.
BTW, I decided to try to help with this whole time travel issue by posting an article here about it.
read it here:
http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-theories/time-travel-for-dummies/
nosebleeds, pregnancy, and time travel-
I don’t think they’ve backed themselves into a corner with this. It all makes sense-
nosebleeds and migraines = body’s attempt to protect the brain… the membrane encasing the brain gets signals crossed and thinks the brain is under attack. Time travel would cause trauma to the brain… leads to migraine and nosebleed…
pregnancy is also seen as an attack on the body (as seen by morning sickness in the first trimester). Maybe babies conceived on the island have some extra CGRP (calcitonin gene-related peptide = a cause of migraine & nosebleed…it signals that the brain is under attack) that they send to the mothers…. if the brain is under attack, wouldn’t the body want to kill the intruder?
time travel is not natural (neither is traveling across the world- jetlag) and pregnancy on the island is not natural because the island protects who it wants to… no need for reproduction.