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	<title>Comments on: Holy Smoke &#8211; 5.12 &#8220;Dead is Dead&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Comet Wisdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comet Wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Great info....&lt;/strong&gt;

[...] This information unquestionably tells it like it is. It&#039;s right in line with my thinking and I deemed it worthy of a link back to it on my blog. Thank you. [...]...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Great info&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>[...] This information unquestionably tells it like it is. It&#8217;s right in line with my thinking and I deemed it worthy of a link back to it on my blog. Thank you. [...]&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Coralie Pendill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coralie Pendill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work around there. I can use portions of this for my own situation..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work around there. I can use portions of this for my own situation..</p>
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		<title>By: DezziesOtherLifeBrotha</title>
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		<dc:creator>DezziesOtherLifeBrotha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there isn&#039;t a third way off the island I, for one, will be sorely disappointed. 

Yes, the Magic Box was a metaphor, because if you rewatch the Man From Tallahassee, while Locke is in the closet holding Alex at gun point, Tom and Richard are in Ben&#039;s room speaking with Ben in bed. Ben clearly orders Richard to &quot;Go get me the man from Tallahassee...&quot; 

Later (in the Brig, I believe) when questioned, Anthony Cooper describes how he remembers arriving on the island. Goes something like this &quot;I was driving on I-90 and a car pushes me into the guard-rail and as I come to a paramedic looked at me and smiled and then I woke up here&quot; If that&#039;s not Richard GETTING the Man From Tallahassee than I will eat my hat! 

I&#039;m telling you, there&#039;s something to everyone being knocked out before they travel to the island by sub.... Mark my words... there&#039;s something more to that and I&#039;m not convinced that sub is really going to and from the island.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there isn&#8217;t a third way off the island I, for one, will be sorely disappointed. </p>
<p>Yes, the Magic Box was a metaphor, because if you rewatch the Man From Tallahassee, while Locke is in the closet holding Alex at gun point, Tom and Richard are in Ben&#8217;s room speaking with Ben in bed. Ben clearly orders Richard to &#8220;Go get me the man from Tallahassee&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>Later (in the Brig, I believe) when questioned, Anthony Cooper describes how he remembers arriving on the island. Goes something like this &#8220;I was driving on I-90 and a car pushes me into the guard-rail and as I come to a paramedic looked at me and smiled and then I woke up here&#8221; If that&#8217;s not Richard GETTING the Man From Tallahassee than I will eat my hat! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m telling you, there&#8217;s something to everyone being knocked out before they travel to the island by sub&#8230;. Mark my words&#8230; there&#8217;s something more to that and I&#8217;m not convinced that sub is really going to and from the island.</p>
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		<title>By: Kryton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kryton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im glad to see someone else question the lack of any confirmed power source on the island. It was during this episode I started thinking about it. The amount of power required to run all of the stations and othersville would require something more than a compact honda generator.

The difficulty that Dharma seem to have for making regular deliveries make me wonder how they manage to keep a contant supply of fuel to run any sort of power generation.

My guess is that we will never find out and this will be left as one of the unexplained mistery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im glad to see someone else question the lack of any confirmed power source on the island. It was during this episode I started thinking about it. The amount of power required to run all of the stations and othersville would require something more than a compact honda generator.</p>
<p>The difficulty that Dharma seem to have for making regular deliveries make me wonder how they manage to keep a contant supply of fuel to run any sort of power generation.</p>
<p>My guess is that we will never find out and this will be left as one of the unexplained mistery.</p>
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		<title>By: kaptan36</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaptan36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good theory, EXCEPT that Mr. Friendly is on the island every single day from the time Michael leaves til the time Locke blows up the submarine. So once again, there is still no valid explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good theory, EXCEPT that Mr. Friendly is on the island every single day from the time Michael leaves til the time Locke blows up the submarine. So once again, there is still no valid explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: kaptan36</title>
		<link>http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-recaps/holy-smoke-512-dead-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-34501</link>
		<dc:creator>kaptan36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were the passports from different time periods? I dont remember that. I though they were just from different countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were the passports from different time periods? I dont remember that. I though they were just from different countries.</p>
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		<title>By: DarthBubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarthBubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right!  That just made me remember that Ben had all those different passports from different time periods. . . some were even prior to his birth weren&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right!  That just made me remember that Ben had all those different passports from different time periods. . . some were even prior to his birth weren&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: meems</title>
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		<dc:creator>meems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love them too!!!  That picture made me LAUGH!  Fishie&#039;s picture choice to her accompanying text are nothing short of brilliant. 

By the way, I love how you related Locke to Gandalf the Grey turning into Gandalf the White.  I had thought of that comparison myself, and it&#039;s an honor to see you made that equation too! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love them too!!!  That picture made me LAUGH!  Fishie&#8217;s picture choice to her accompanying text are nothing short of brilliant. </p>
<p>By the way, I love how you related Locke to Gandalf the Grey turning into Gandalf the White.  I had thought of that comparison myself, and it&#8217;s an honor to see you made that equation too! <img src='http://www.docarzt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cap10tripps</title>
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		<dc:creator>cap10tripps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t we already found out that time doesn&#039;t work quite the same on the island?  So Michael leaves the same day Jack, Sawyer, Kate, and Hurley are captured, then convincing and surgery ensues.  Let&#039;s say a week or so of on island time passes between this day and Locke blowing up the sub.  That could give Mr. Friendly all the time in the world to do what he needs to.  Remember it seems as though it&#039;s possible to visit different points in time off island and/or time slows on island.  Even though time travel theories in reality are highly speculative at best, this show allows us to suspend our disbelief and consider the possibilities.  It&#039;s what engrosses us so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t we already found out that time doesn&#8217;t work quite the same on the island?  So Michael leaves the same day Jack, Sawyer, Kate, and Hurley are captured, then convincing and surgery ensues.  Let&#8217;s say a week or so of on island time passes between this day and Locke blowing up the sub.  That could give Mr. Friendly all the time in the world to do what he needs to.  Remember it seems as though it&#8217;s possible to visit different points in time off island and/or time slows on island.  Even though time travel theories in reality are highly speculative at best, this show allows us to suspend our disbelief and consider the possibilities.  It&#8217;s what engrosses us so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DarthBubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarthBubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I made something we humans call a &quot;joke&quot;. You see putting someone like Mr. Brady in the shoes of Ben Linus. . . I guess if you have to explain it, the joke looses something. Anyway, I do remember Ben&#039;s conversation w/ Locke re: the box. Also, I&#039;m fine that it wasn&#039;t &quot;plausible&quot;, many things that have happened on this show are often not &quot;plausible&quot; by normal standards.  Besides which, it was simple fan-speculation.  You&#039;ll find that from time-to-time around here, especially when one is dared to try.

BTW:  How do you explain Widmore&#039;s and Tom&#039;s off island excursions since there were times they couldn&#039;t have used the donkey wheel nor sub?  I think there is an as-of-yet unrevealed third way on and off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I made something we humans call a &#8220;joke&#8221;. You see putting someone like Mr. Brady in the shoes of Ben Linus. . . I guess if you have to explain it, the joke looses something. Anyway, I do remember Ben&#8217;s conversation w/ Locke re: the box. Also, I&#8217;m fine that it wasn&#8217;t &#8220;plausible&#8221;, many things that have happened on this show are often not &#8220;plausible&#8221; by normal standards.  Besides which, it was simple fan-speculation.  You&#8217;ll find that from time-to-time around here, especially when one is dared to try.</p>
<p>BTW:  How do you explain Widmore&#8217;s and Tom&#8217;s off island excursions since there were times they couldn&#8217;t have used the donkey wheel nor sub?  I think there is an as-of-yet unrevealed third way on and off.</p>
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		<title>By: kaptan36</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaptan36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, now I know why some people actually believe in Scientology. Some people will believe anything they want to believe. BTW, you still never gave me a valid plausible explanation. You are trying to pull an explanation out of thin air. Nice try though. And Ben had also later told Locke that the magic box was just a metaphor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, now I know why some people actually believe in Scientology. Some people will believe anything they want to believe. BTW, you still never gave me a valid plausible explanation. You are trying to pull an explanation out of thin air. Nice try though. And Ben had also later told Locke that the magic box was just a metaphor.</p>
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		<title>By: DarthBubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarthBubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There definately seems to be a third way off and on island that we havn&#039;t seen yet.  Perhaps it is located in the Temple that is really 1/2 mile behind the wall of what we thought the Temple was. Besides, it&#039;s physics law that in order to travel through time, one must travel through space as well.  Perhaps, the Orchid station and/or donkey wheel even plays a role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There definately seems to be a third way off and on island that we havn&#8217;t seen yet.  Perhaps it is located in the Temple that is really 1/2 mile behind the wall of what we thought the Temple was. Besides, it&#8217;s physics law that in order to travel through time, one must travel through space as well.  Perhaps, the Orchid station and/or donkey wheel even plays a role.</p>
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		<title>By: DarthBubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarthBubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Brady (to Marcia):  In this house there is a box, Marcia.  This is a magic box and anything you wish for will appear in this box. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Brady (to Marcia):  In this house there is a box, Marcia.  This is a magic box and anything you wish for will appear in this box. . .</p>
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		<title>By: kaptan36</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaptan36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, if I&#039;m so wrong about this stuff, which I may be about Ethan( but probably not), than I dare either of you guys to come with a valid plausible explanation behind the Mr. Friendly issue. And before you come up with him leaving by the frozen donkey wheel, keep in mind when that is done the person can never return and I&#039;m pretty sure he never knew about it anyways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, if I&#8217;m so wrong about this stuff, which I may be about Ethan( but probably not), than I dare either of you guys to come with a valid plausible explanation behind the Mr. Friendly issue. And before you come up with him leaving by the frozen donkey wheel, keep in mind when that is done the person can never return and I&#8217;m pretty sure he never knew about it anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: kaptan36</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaptan36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW; sorry about the CAPS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW; sorry about the CAPS</p>
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		<title>By: kaptan36</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaptan36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look dont get me wrong, I love Lost and I love that you need to be able to think to foolow it. This is why I find it insulting when they write these holes in the story that dont make sense, and I hope that u r right about Ethan, but I seriously doubt it, unless the writers read posts of people like me complaining about these continuity holes and realize the mistakes they have made and decide to fix them next season (i.e. Ethans age having to do with time travel or something). Dont get too defensive, u gotta admit that I have made some valid points and if you are more a fan of the story instead of worshipping the writers than you should be as bummed as I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look dont get me wrong, I love Lost and I love that you need to be able to think to foolow it. This is why I find it insulting when they write these holes in the story that dont make sense, and I hope that u r right about Ethan, but I seriously doubt it, unless the writers read posts of people like me complaining about these continuity holes and realize the mistakes they have made and decide to fix them next season (i.e. Ethans age having to do with time travel or something). Dont get too defensive, u gotta admit that I have made some valid points and if you are more a fan of the story instead of worshipping the writers than you should be as bummed as I am.</p>
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		<title>By: professorstotch</title>
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		<dc:creator>professorstotch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, please stop typing in caps. There&#039;s no need for it at all.

Second, I doubt anyone will agree with you. As Darth Bubba already said, you can&#039;t chalk up what may be a mystery as a continuity error. Just because you don&#039;t understand it, and you havent figured it out, doesn&#039;t mean its an error. It just means you need to sit back, watch the show, and wait to see how things play out. 

And Brady Bunch is a bad suggestion. He&#039;ll end up trying to figure out how Marcia breaks her nose in one episode, and is fine the next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, please stop typing in caps. There&#8217;s no need for it at all.</p>
<p>Second, I doubt anyone will agree with you. As Darth Bubba already said, you can&#8217;t chalk up what may be a mystery as a continuity error. Just because you don&#8217;t understand it, and you havent figured it out, doesn&#8217;t mean its an error. It just means you need to sit back, watch the show, and wait to see how things play out. </p>
<p>And Brady Bunch is a bad suggestion. He&#8217;ll end up trying to figure out how Marcia breaks her nose in one episode, and is fine the next.</p>
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		<title>By: DarthBubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarthBubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe what you percieve to be &quot;goof-ups&quot; are really mysteries to be explained later.  For example, we really don&#039;t know why Ethan looked as old as he did when 815 crashed nor do we know how he became so educated.  We are dealing with a place that allows time-travel and exists in a different time than off-island (remember Faraday&#039;s rocket experiment).  Perhaps the answers lie there or maybe Ethan had to go through the &quot;resurrection&quot; process himself.  Judging from Ben, it ages a person.  We could even speculate that this &quot;resurrection&quot; allows for old-souls to enter one&#039;s body giving them skills and memories from the soul (kind of Jim Morrison-esque, but still).  Anyway you look at it there could be answers, however if it is truly that bothersome, perhaps an easier show to follow would better suit you.  Try old &quot;Brady Bunch&quot; episodes or something. Their continuity is quite easy to follow.  Also, on a side not, YOUR CAPS ARE ANNOYING!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe what you percieve to be &#8220;goof-ups&#8221; are really mysteries to be explained later.  For example, we really don&#8217;t know why Ethan looked as old as he did when 815 crashed nor do we know how he became so educated.  We are dealing with a place that allows time-travel and exists in a different time than off-island (remember Faraday&#8217;s rocket experiment).  Perhaps the answers lie there or maybe Ethan had to go through the &#8220;resurrection&#8221; process himself.  Judging from Ben, it ages a person.  We could even speculate that this &#8220;resurrection&#8221; allows for old-souls to enter one&#8217;s body giving them skills and memories from the soul (kind of Jim Morrison-esque, but still).  Anyway you look at it there could be answers, however if it is truly that bothersome, perhaps an easier show to follow would better suit you.  Try old &#8220;Brady Bunch&#8221; episodes or something. Their continuity is quite easy to follow.  Also, on a side not, YOUR CAPS ARE ANNOYING!!!</p>
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		<title>By: kaptan36</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaptan36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOU GAVE ME SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT; LIKE HOW DID WIDMORE KNOW WHERE THE EXIT HOLE FROM THE FROZEN DONKEY WHEEL WAS IF HE LEFT BY SUBMARINE? THIS COULD JUST BE ANOTHER HOLE IN THE SCRIPTWRITNG AND CONINUITY OF THE SHOW, WHICH THERE HAVE BEEN A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF LATELY. LIKE ETHAN WAS ONLY 27 WHEN 815 CRASHED? AND HE WAS BORN ON THE ISLAND? AND HE HELPED BEN KIDNAP ALEX? AND SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY HE FOUND TIME TO GO TO MED SCHOOL? AND ASIDE FROM BEING A FERTILITY DOCTOR, HE ALSO WORKED IN THE CHEMICAL PLANT WITH GOODWIN? BAD SCRIPTWRITING TO GIVE FANS ANOTHER GLIMPSE OF A COMPLETELY UNIMPORTANT CHARACTER AND TRY TO MAKE HIM MORE IMPORTANT.
   SIMILAR CONTINUITY PLOT HOLES ALSO HAPPENED WITH MR. FRIENDLY WHEN IN THE WHOLE MONTH THAT TOOK PLACE IN SEASON 3, HE IS ON THE ISLAND PLAYING CATCH WITH JACK AND EVENTUALLY MURDERED IN THE FINALE BY SAWYER. BUT WHEN THEY FINALLY REVEAL WHAT HAPPENED TO MICHAEL AFTER HE AND WALT LEFT THE ISLAND, MR. FRIENDLY (TOM) IS STAYING IN A PENTHOUSE FOR A WEEK WITH HIS GAY LOVER AND COHERSING MICHAEL ONTO THE FREIGHTER; AND IF YOU DO THE TIMELINE MATH OUT, ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO MICHAEL OFF ISLAND MOST LIKELY COULDNT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE SHORT TIME THAT HE WAS GONE! OH AND REMEMBER HALFWAY THROUGH SEASON 3, JUST ABOUT THE NEXT DAY AFTER JACK PLAYS CATCH WITH FRIENDLY, LOCKE BLOWS UP THE SUBMARINE!!!! SO HOW THE HELL DOES FRIENDLY DO ALL THIS? 
     THESE KIND OF HOLES IN THE STORY REALLY UPSET ME, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE BEFORE BRIAN K. VAUGHN (WHOSE WORK I LOVE BTW) BECAME A WRITER ON THE SHOW, CONTINUITY HASN&#039;T BEEN AS IMPORTANT IN THE SCRIPTWRITING AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME BIG GOOF-UPS. AND THEY ALL COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN AVOIDED BY USING DIFFERENT CHARACTERS OR TELLING THE STORY A BIT DIFFERENTLY. DOES ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE AGREE WITH ME?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU GAVE ME SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT; LIKE HOW DID WIDMORE KNOW WHERE THE EXIT HOLE FROM THE FROZEN DONKEY WHEEL WAS IF HE LEFT BY SUBMARINE? THIS COULD JUST BE ANOTHER HOLE IN THE SCRIPTWRITNG AND CONINUITY OF THE SHOW, WHICH THERE HAVE BEEN A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF LATELY. LIKE ETHAN WAS ONLY 27 WHEN 815 CRASHED? AND HE WAS BORN ON THE ISLAND? AND HE HELPED BEN KIDNAP ALEX? AND SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY HE FOUND TIME TO GO TO MED SCHOOL? AND ASIDE FROM BEING A FERTILITY DOCTOR, HE ALSO WORKED IN THE CHEMICAL PLANT WITH GOODWIN? BAD SCRIPTWRITING TO GIVE FANS ANOTHER GLIMPSE OF A COMPLETELY UNIMPORTANT CHARACTER AND TRY TO MAKE HIM MORE IMPORTANT.<br />
   SIMILAR CONTINUITY PLOT HOLES ALSO HAPPENED WITH MR. FRIENDLY WHEN IN THE WHOLE MONTH THAT TOOK PLACE IN SEASON 3, HE IS ON THE ISLAND PLAYING CATCH WITH JACK AND EVENTUALLY MURDERED IN THE FINALE BY SAWYER. BUT WHEN THEY FINALLY REVEAL WHAT HAPPENED TO MICHAEL AFTER HE AND WALT LEFT THE ISLAND, MR. FRIENDLY (TOM) IS STAYING IN A PENTHOUSE FOR A WEEK WITH HIS GAY LOVER AND COHERSING MICHAEL ONTO THE FREIGHTER; AND IF YOU DO THE TIMELINE MATH OUT, ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO MICHAEL OFF ISLAND MOST LIKELY COULDNT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE SHORT TIME THAT HE WAS GONE! OH AND REMEMBER HALFWAY THROUGH SEASON 3, JUST ABOUT THE NEXT DAY AFTER JACK PLAYS CATCH WITH FRIENDLY, LOCKE BLOWS UP THE SUBMARINE!!!! SO HOW THE HELL DOES FRIENDLY DO ALL THIS?<br />
     THESE KIND OF HOLES IN THE STORY REALLY UPSET ME, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE BEFORE BRIAN K. VAUGHN (WHOSE WORK I LOVE BTW) BECAME A WRITER ON THE SHOW, CONTINUITY HASN&#8217;T BEEN AS IMPORTANT IN THE SCRIPTWRITING AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME BIG GOOF-UPS. AND THEY ALL COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN AVOIDED BY USING DIFFERENT CHARACTERS OR TELLING THE STORY A BIT DIFFERENTLY. DOES ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE AGREE WITH ME?</p>
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		<title>By: methosrocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>methosrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent recap, as usual, &lt;b&gt;Fish&lt;/b&gt;!

I&#039;d forgotten how much religious imagery we&#039;ve seen on this show, so I particularly liked your animation showing some of it - and how varied are the origins of it. 

Like you, I was a little suprised that Smokey gave Ben a pass on all his other bad deeds.  Apparently, the Island separates the personal from the political.  His personal hubris led to the death of Alex.  For the rest, it seems he was just doing his job.  That seems bizarre to me, but I guess we&#039;ll have to keep it in mind as we watch Locke&#039;s behavior in future.

It was an episode giving us much to reflect on, and you&#039;ve certainly done it justice in your very thoughtful recap.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent recap, as usual, <b>Fish</b>!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d forgotten how much religious imagery we&#8217;ve seen on this show, so I particularly liked your animation showing some of it &#8211; and how varied are the origins of it. </p>
<p>Like you, I was a little suprised that Smokey gave Ben a pass on all his other bad deeds.  Apparently, the Island separates the personal from the political.  His personal hubris led to the death of Alex.  For the rest, it seems he was just doing his job.  That seems bizarre to me, but I guess we&#8217;ll have to keep it in mind as we watch Locke&#8217;s behavior in future.</p>
<p>It was an episode giving us much to reflect on, and you&#8217;ve certainly done it justice in your very thoughtful recap.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Fishbiscuit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fishbiscuit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops! Fixed now. Thanks for keeping me honest.</description>
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		<title>By: k</title>
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		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just worried...in all of this who is good bad blah blah...we forget the damn island...i just don&#039;t trust the damn island itself...i think it wants man off for good to leave it be...look how man has come to nothing but war over the islands power...bugger off is what i would be saying if i were the island...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just worried&#8230;in all of this who is good bad blah blah&#8230;we forget the damn island&#8230;i just don&#8217;t trust the damn island itself&#8230;i think it wants man off for good to leave it be&#8230;look how man has come to nothing but war over the islands power&#8230;bugger off is what i would be saying if i were the island&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Unbeliever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unbeliever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked the recap and it does remind me of other TV shows and movies. I saw Cloverfield a while back. It really impressed me with the hints at mythology and the mysteries that were uncovered by folks on the internet. It almost gave me the idea that something like that could almost have happened. I think mining religious text has become very popular in recent times to make our entertainment seem like oh so much more. The problem is that the TV shows never deliver the answers and ultimately people feel cheated or disappointed. Like X-Files.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the recap and it does remind me of other TV shows and movies. I saw Cloverfield a while back. It really impressed me with the hints at mythology and the mysteries that were uncovered by folks on the internet. It almost gave me the idea that something like that could almost have happened. I think mining religious text has become very popular in recent times to make our entertainment seem like oh so much more. The problem is that the TV shows never deliver the answers and ultimately people feel cheated or disappointed. Like X-Files.</p>
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		<title>By: gloss</title>
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		<dc:creator>gloss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent recap, as always.

This passage really worked for me: &lt;i&gt;Time has frozen since the fateful day that the Island’s Will (or Charles Widmore’s will, depending on how you’re reading all this) was carried out against poor, innocent Alex.&lt;/i&gt; This is one of your great strengths (in addition, of course, to animated gifs and the like :P): stating what was clear in the episode but highlighting such that now the facts are inextricable. Ben&#039;s Achilles heel for kids was made clear by the ep, but you strengthened that fact by tying Alex&#039;s death to time freezing. *Awesome*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent recap, as always.</p>
<p>This passage really worked for me: <i>Time has frozen since the fateful day that the Island’s Will (or Charles Widmore’s will, depending on how you’re reading all this) was carried out against poor, innocent Alex.</i> This is one of your great strengths (in addition, of course, to animated gifs and the like <img src='http://www.docarzt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> ): stating what was clear in the episode but highlighting such that now the facts are inextricable. Ben&#8217;s Achilles heel for kids was made clear by the ep, but you strengthened that fact by tying Alex&#8217;s death to time freezing. *Awesome*.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Fish!  Since it didn&#039;t feature Sawyer or Kate, or even Jack or Juliet, this ep didn&#039;t have a lot for me personally to get excited about, but I think I appreciate it much more after reading this.  I love how you used religion itself as the framework for trying to understand all the Island&#039;s muddled creeds and spiritual issues.  The quotes sprinkled throughout were perfect.

Really interesting idea that on the Island, death isn&#039;t such a huge issue, since the living and the dead can coexist fairly peacefully.  I&#039;d never considered it from that angle before.  But it&#039;s true that, as the writers say, being dead doesn&#039;t necessarily mean you lose your job on this show.

I didn&#039;t even notice that Richard&#039;s words to Ben about living with them but not being ONE of them echoed Jack&#039;s tattoo message about walking among them but not being of them.  What will that ultimately mean for Jack?  Ben was not &quot;of&quot; his people, and because of that he ended up massacring all of them.  Presumably Jack is not going to go that route, but will he instead die to save all of his flock?  Is that how he&#039;s not really &quot;of them&quot; - because he&#039;s only there to shepherd them, but not to remain with them?  Moses himself never made it to the promised land, it was Joshua who brought the people that last leg of the journey.  (Interesting that we don&#039;t have a character named Joshua yet.. do we?)

Last but not least, that Wizard of Oz manip cracked me up.  The ugliest Dorothy ever!  LMAO.  And I thought of that scene too during the episode.  The cultural references were just stacked in layers for this one - which makes reading the recap almost more fun than watching the episode, for me at least.  Great job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Fish!  Since it didn&#8217;t feature Sawyer or Kate, or even Jack or Juliet, this ep didn&#8217;t have a lot for me personally to get excited about, but I think I appreciate it much more after reading this.  I love how you used religion itself as the framework for trying to understand all the Island&#8217;s muddled creeds and spiritual issues.  The quotes sprinkled throughout were perfect.</p>
<p>Really interesting idea that on the Island, death isn&#8217;t such a huge issue, since the living and the dead can coexist fairly peacefully.  I&#8217;d never considered it from that angle before.  But it&#8217;s true that, as the writers say, being dead doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean you lose your job on this show.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t even notice that Richard&#8217;s words to Ben about living with them but not being ONE of them echoed Jack&#8217;s tattoo message about walking among them but not being of them.  What will that ultimately mean for Jack?  Ben was not &#8220;of&#8221; his people, and because of that he ended up massacring all of them.  Presumably Jack is not going to go that route, but will he instead die to save all of his flock?  Is that how he&#8217;s not really &#8220;of them&#8221; &#8211; because he&#8217;s only there to shepherd them, but not to remain with them?  Moses himself never made it to the promised land, it was Joshua who brought the people that last leg of the journey.  (Interesting that we don&#8217;t have a character named Joshua yet.. do we?)</p>
<p>Last but not least, that Wizard of Oz manip cracked me up.  The ugliest Dorothy ever!  LMAO.  And I thought of that scene too during the episode.  The cultural references were just stacked in layers for this one &#8211; which makes reading the recap almost more fun than watching the episode, for me at least.  Great job!</p>
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