Comments on: Holy Smoke – 5.12 “Dead is Dead”

By: DezziesOtherLifeBrotha

DezziesOtherLifeBrotha — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:59:28 +0000

If there isn’t a third way off the island I, for one, will be sorely disappointed.

Yes, the Magic Box was a metaphor, because if you rewatch the Man From Tallahassee, while Locke is in the closet holding Alex at gun point, Tom and Richard are in Ben’s room speaking with Ben in bed. Ben clearly orders Richard to “Go get me the man from Tallahassee…”

Later (in the Brig, I believe) when questioned, Anthony Cooper describes how he remembers arriving on the island. Goes something like this “I was driving on I-90 and a car pushes me into the guard-rail and as I come to a paramedic looked at me and smiled and then I woke up here” If that’s not Richard GETTING the Man From Tallahassee than I will eat my hat!

I’m telling you, there’s something to everyone being knocked out before they travel to the island by sub…. Mark my words… there’s something more to that and I’m not convinced that sub is really going to and from the island.

By: Kryton

Kryton — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:35:50 +0000

Im glad to see someone else question the lack of any confirmed power source on the island. It was during this episode I started thinking about it. The amount of power required to run all of the stations and othersville would require something more than a compact honda generator.

The difficulty that Dharma seem to have for making regular deliveries make me wonder how they manage to keep a contant supply of fuel to run any sort of power generation.

My guess is that we will never find out and this will be left as one of the unexplained mistery.

By: kaptan36

kaptan36 — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:45:39 +0000

Good theory, EXCEPT that Mr. Friendly is on the island every single day from the time Michael leaves til the time Locke blows up the submarine. So once again, there is still no valid explanation.

By: kaptan36

kaptan36 — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:43:40 +0000

Were the passports from different time periods? I dont remember that. I though they were just from different countries.

By: DarthBubba

DarthBubba — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:07:18 +0000

You’re right! That just made me remember that Ben had all those different passports from different time periods. . . some were even prior to his birth weren’t they?

By: meems

meems — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:02:59 +0000

I love them too!!! That picture made me LAUGH! Fishie’s picture choice to her accompanying text are nothing short of brilliant.

By the way, I love how you related Locke to Gandalf the Grey turning into Gandalf the White. I had thought of that comparison myself, and it’s an honor to see you made that equation too!

By: cap10tripps

cap10tripps — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:04:36 +0000

Haven’t we already found out that time doesn’t work quite the same on the island? So Michael leaves the same day Jack, Sawyer, Kate, and Hurley are captured, then convincing and surgery ensues. Let’s say a week or so of on island time passes between this day and Locke blowing up the sub. That could give Mr. Friendly all the time in the world to do what he needs to. Remember it seems as though it’s possible to visit different points in time off island and/or time slows on island. Even though time travel theories in reality are highly speculative at best, this show allows us to suspend our disbelief and consider the possibilities. It’s what engrosses us so…

By: DarthBubba

DarthBubba — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:13:07 +0000

Yes, I made something we humans call a “joke”. You see putting someone like Mr. Brady in the shoes of Ben Linus. . . I guess if you have to explain it, the joke looses something. Anyway, I do remember Ben’s conversation w/ Locke re: the box. Also, I’m fine that it wasn’t “plausible”, many things that have happened on this show are often not “plausible” by normal standards. Besides which, it was simple fan-speculation. You’ll find that from time-to-time around here, especially when one is dared to try.

BTW: How do you explain Widmore’s and Tom’s off island excursions since there were times they couldn’t have used the donkey wheel nor sub? I think there is an as-of-yet unrevealed third way on and off.

By: kaptan36

kaptan36 — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:34:35 +0000

Wow, now I know why some people actually believe in Scientology. Some people will believe anything they want to believe. BTW, you still never gave me a valid plausible explanation. You are trying to pull an explanation out of thin air. Nice try though. And Ben had also later told Locke that the magic box was just a metaphor.

By: DarthBubba

DarthBubba — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:03:52 +0000

There definately seems to be a third way off and on island that we havn’t seen yet. Perhaps it is located in the Temple that is really 1/2 mile behind the wall of what we thought the Temple was. Besides, it’s physics law that in order to travel through time, one must travel through space as well. Perhaps, the Orchid station and/or donkey wheel even plays a role.

By: DarthBubba

DarthBubba — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:00:00 +0000

Mr. Brady (to Marcia): In this house there is a box, Marcia. This is a magic box and anything you wish for will appear in this box. . .

By: kaptan36

kaptan36 — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:20:58 +0000

Okay, if I’m so wrong about this stuff, which I may be about Ethan( but probably not), than I dare either of you guys to come with a valid plausible explanation behind the Mr. Friendly issue. And before you come up with him leaving by the frozen donkey wheel, keep in mind when that is done the person can never return and I’m pretty sure he never knew about it anyways.

By: kaptan36

kaptan36 — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:16:12 +0000

BTW; sorry about the CAPS

By: kaptan36

kaptan36 — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:15:26 +0000

Look dont get me wrong, I love Lost and I love that you need to be able to think to foolow it. This is why I find it insulting when they write these holes in the story that dont make sense, and I hope that u r right about Ethan, but I seriously doubt it, unless the writers read posts of people like me complaining about these continuity holes and realize the mistakes they have made and decide to fix them next season (i.e. Ethans age having to do with time travel or something). Dont get too defensive, u gotta admit that I have made some valid points and if you are more a fan of the story instead of worshipping the writers than you should be as bummed as I am.

By: professorstotch

professorstotch — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:55:46 +0000

First, please stop typing in caps. There’s no need for it at all.

Second, I doubt anyone will agree with you. As Darth Bubba already said, you can’t chalk up what may be a mystery as a continuity error. Just because you don’t understand it, and you havent figured it out, doesn’t mean its an error. It just means you need to sit back, watch the show, and wait to see how things play out.

And Brady Bunch is a bad suggestion. He’ll end up trying to figure out how Marcia breaks her nose in one episode, and is fine the next.