Comments on: What Nikki Noticed: 5.15 “Follow the Leader”

By: bejaedblost

bejaedblost — Mon, 11 May 2009 20:04:13 +0000

you had me up until you started with the theory that Richard is playing Ben and Locke against eachother.
Of course those are Ben’s lists! Well atleast some of them – the other lists are Goodwin and Ethan’s. Ben has that list because those are the 316ers from 1977 that he knows…the ones that came back…Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Hurley.
I am also a fan of the Jack is Jacob theory but I totally disagree with him being Jacob in 1977 – Jack’s an idiot in 1977!! If anything, he’s Jacob in 2004…when he was awesome!
I really, really, really looooove the Billy Pilgrim theory! That’s a great one!
And if Locke goes to the cabin and sees Jack I will sh*$ myself!! That would be the greatest season finale EVER!! That would actually be worth this whole season.

By: treiviek

treiviek — Mon, 11 May 2009 19:37:59 +0000

“if Locke is correct, and Ben never actually heard Jacob, then it means all along those were Ben’s lists. He was never actually doing the bidding of Jacob, but was doing things on his own (dammit!! There goes my theory of Ben being the good guy… wah).”

locke didnt say ben never heard jacob he said hes never seen him. So, it could have been jacob giving ben orders. but i think ben was half doing things for jacob and half on a power trip the whole time anyway. so he could have been coming up with things he wanted claiming that it was for jacob

By: Jessica Denise

Jessica Denise — Sun, 10 May 2009 19:33:22 +0000

Great episode – The Howling Man. The TZ is my favorite show. haha

By: kgear

kgear — Sat, 09 May 2009 20:26:26 +0000

OK it’s time to figure this out. We have a whole lot of losties in the past, and a couple in the present. Both groups are on the Island. There are still two Oceanic survivors alive, and not on the Island, Walt, and Aaron. Now, Jack believes if he blows up the Island, and kills all the losties who are now in ’77.
Then the Oceanic flight 108 will not have an Island to crash on.
Problem is, not all the losties are on the Island in 1977. What about Sun, Locke, Walt, and Aaron who are still in the (relative) present. In their time frame, there is only one version of themselves, however in 1977, the people who time shifted, have two versions of themselves existing. So, if their time traveling versions of themselves were to die, along with the elimination of the Island, then when the original 1977 version of themselves finally get to 2004, their plane cannot crash on an Isalnd that was destroyed by a hydrogen bomb.
So, they will continue to L.A. and continue on with their lives. This is not an appropriate end to this story. The writers and producers are more creative. So, look for some way for the past and future selves to merge, so, flight 108 can avoid the Island, and so, end the time anomaly (loop).
Season five’s end will be very interesting, but season six, wow. The ability to change time will be granted to one of our heros. The person will be analyzed before and after he/she is revealed.
I for one am looking forward to the fun.

By: loveslost

loveslost — Sat, 09 May 2009 15:10:26 +0000

I think that what we have seen so far implies that Locke “created Jocob”. The only reason that Richard went looking for the newborn Locke was based on a scenario that time-travel Locke set up! It seems they do have as Jack once stated “a Locke problem”. I also believe that the Incident is not the result of Dharma drilling into the Swan site but Jack’s 1977 attempt to set off the Jughead. The concrete the Lostaways found at the Swan reminded Sayid of Chernoble. Maybe it was not sealing in the energy but protecting the island’s inhabitants from Jughead that was buried there in 1977. In fact, Dr. Chang realized the danger of drilling into the energy when he stopped the workers from doing just that at the Orchid. He knew the danger and likely stopped the drilling before it ever started. I think Daniel (RIP) was wriong the Incident was caused by Jughead not Dharma’s energy drilling. It seems the story is looking more like the time traveling Losties brought their own plane down, completing a never-ending loop in time. The question in my mind is whether Desmond will be able to change that loop and if so, how.

By: El Yerbero

El Yerbero — Fri, 08 May 2009 19:36:06 +0000

To me it was quite obvious that Ellie was the leader of the others, not Charles. I think Charles only has defacto power over the other becuase he´s Ellies (or was) dude/love/squeeze etc.

I think that Niki saying above that Ben unsurped Widemore and Alpert followed is a little off . . I think Ben and Alpert teamed up to unsurp Widemore.

In more detail I think that Ellie, the leader, left the island abandoning her leader post, perhaps to give birth after the incident to her baby off the island. Charles then by osmosis became the leader he was never meant to be. He ruled for a while, until Ben and Alpert got him out. Ben, who was also never meant to be the leader, became the leader. . . now enter John Locke, the chosen and true leader. . .maybe.

By: INawe

INawe — Fri, 08 May 2009 19:29:55 +0000

Just thinking while reading around…

We gonna get totally blown away me thinks…

And i go for Locke is Jacob for now… it makes more sense than anybody else..
But.. maybe its not that obvious.. .

we see next week…and then smack it up in our veins for a whole year !!!

By: simplevincent

simplevincent — Fri, 08 May 2009 17:12:52 +0000

i’m curious how they’re going to connect Christian to the island (whether he’s been there before or just that his son is important enough to force the island to use him as a manipulator).

By: simplevincent

simplevincent — Fri, 08 May 2009 17:06:01 +0000

very dharma

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 08 May 2009 15:03:13 +0000

Nikki,

I am not so sure Jack is Jacob. Months back I posted the following on the message boards…

“Locke is walking through the jungle and sees the light coming from the hatch. He purposely avoids going in that direction knowing he will run into himself possibly causing some kind of paradox (as mentioned by Dr. Candle in the Orchid video) or problem in the timeline. He wants it to continue to play out. Why does that make him Jacob? Last season Locke goes to the cabin and meet Christian. He asks “Are you Jacob?” Christian responds “No but I can speak on his behalf” I believe this to be true. He is serving as the buffer between a future Locke (Jacob) and present Locke. This future Locke/Jacob would also be a reanimated/ressurected Locke after Ben and Jack return the body to the island simliar to how we see Christian now (post death and returned to the island). Who else was in the cabin? Claire. Remember her very cavalier attitude? She seemed almost amused at Locke’s presence and his search for Jacob. Is it possible she was laughing at the idea of Locke looking for himself? Which is also the overall story arch for Locke isn’t it? He has searching for himself through the entire series!”

I wrote that before they even returned to the island. On now with Locke saying he is going to kill Jacob I think it makes it even more true. Anyone see the irony in Locke going to kill…himself? Even more ironic since that is exactly what he was going to do before Ben stopped him and then killed Locke himself.

By: icy_one

icy_one — Fri, 08 May 2009 13:10:29 +0000

“Until now, we thought that Jacob was issuing orders — creating lists of people who needed to be captured, instructing Ben on what to do next. But if Locke is correct, and Ben never actually heard Jacob, then it means all along those were Ben’s lists.”

Not necessarily. The possibility exists that Ben is receiving orders from someone who says they are Jacob. It’s hard to tell how the timeline plays out, but consider this:

Locke shows up in 1954 and tells Alpert that Jacob sent him. Alpert looks confused. What if Locke created this Jacob business? The myth circulates through the camp about this guy Jacob that no one ever sees, but Alpert keeps the myth alive with “Jacob wants this, Jacob said that.” Ben comes along and seems to be able to see dead people (his mother, at the very least) and when he sees someone he doesn’t recognize, he says “Are you Jacob?” The apparition (regardless of identity) says yes, lying to tap into the power behind the name.

Ben thinks he’s doing the bidding of Jacob, but he’s not. Doesn’t eliminate the possibility he is doing the bidding of someone.

By: Gripp

Gripp — Fri, 08 May 2009 08:37:29 +0000

It’s weird that this whole Jack/Jacob thing is popping up again. Watching last night’s episode, when Locke dropped the “I’m going to kill him” bomb, my first impression was that Locke killing Jacob would be an act of release. And now we know that Jack ’77 is about to set off Jughead, which really doesn’t seem like a very good idea. In fact, it seems like the sort of thing that a sentient island may want to prevent by say, trapping Jack in some sort of extratemporal rift. Add to that the Christian and Claire Creepy factor, and it seems very possible that Jacob is indeed Jack. And maybe Locke senses this now, and knows that Jackob is waiting for him and the sweet release of death.

By: INawe

INawe — Fri, 08 May 2009 07:36:52 +0000

My thougts about Faith Vs Science since the end of the previous seasons is that,

In order for them to realize-believe and acomplish what they have to do in the beggining of their “Journey” (that being time-travelling to the past) they can only do that only through a Man of Faith (John Locke).. How else can someone accept that it was possible to do all those time-traveling to the past e.t.c.

Now to get back from the past to the future, and what ever that implies,
they need a Man of Science…

The whole thing is not meant to describe specific characters like
John Locke (Faith) and Jack Shepard (Science) and their differences but to describe something more of the “Mindstates” all of the characters needed to have a certain time in order to proceed..

So perhaps the best (mindstate) is not beeing a Man of Faith , and neither A Man of Science,
but somewhere in the middle..

By: simplevincent

simplevincent — Fri, 08 May 2009 06:01:23 +0000

oh i love the idea of the shephard family cabin!!

By: Ed Einstein

Ed Einstein — Fri, 08 May 2009 03:11:52 +0000

This is such a great time of the year, finale coming up and it is such a sad time of the year, end of the season. We still have a few mysteries to be solved by the end of the season that were promised by Damon and Carlton like where the heck are Rose and Bernard and the big one, what was the “incident”? And time for some last minute wishing. Here’s hoping the final will be truly awesome, that those in 1977 get reunited with those in the future and that Hurley doesn’t die, knock on wood.

Good musings Nikki!

By: horselover

horselover — Fri, 08 May 2009 02:11:31 +0000

The idea that Jacob is evil reminds me of that old Twilight Zone episode, where the traveler hears someone calling for help from a locked room. He lets him out only to discover it is the Devil, then spends his life trying to capture him again.

By: longlivekingnick

longlivekingnick — Fri, 08 May 2009 00:27:29 +0000

he is going to hit in with a hammer and make a big boom… something like Joe Dirt was planning before he found out he had a septic tank strapped to his back

lolz

By: Thor

Thor — Thu, 07 May 2009 22:59:59 +0000

Locke was ‘supposed’ to be a scientist (a smart guy), but he refused in his youth, maybe because of his childhood drama..

Jack is a doctor (a really smart guy), and so was his father. If Jack becomes spiritual, he will probably gain much more status on the show than Locke. Locke is damaged goods, while Jack has always been the hero.

Nowadays Jack is struggling, because he is in unknown (spiritual) territory, but he will probably rise next season.

By: lockeheart

lockeheart — Thu, 07 May 2009 22:17:11 +0000

How is jack suppose to set of the bomb anyway. Its not like he can just rig it with charges like back in season 1 with the dynomite. Unless of course Sayid’s knowledge of all things mechanical extends to nuclear reactions.

By: emu

emu — Thu, 07 May 2009 22:02:15 +0000

that was a great episode and i’m very sad that we just have 1 more episode in this season! what i’m thinking about is the storyline with sawyer or should I say Jim? are they are really going back to the states…or something different happens…

2nd: what’s with that bomb…will jack do what he is supposed to do?

there are so many questions I could ask right now…but there are too many of ‘em.
I need answers! Can’t wait for the next episode…but please…slow…it’s the last episode of the season…

By: Per

Per — Thu, 07 May 2009 21:52:05 +0000

I think it is a pretty interesting thought though. The symbolism with all the Shephards living in the cabin and the Locke/Jack -> Faith/Science showdown.