Last night’s episode didn’t seem to have as much fodder for discussion in it as recent episodes did (my post on it was shorter than normal), but it FINALLY gave us a glimpse of Sayid’s childhood, and contained in it what seemed like a crazy cliffhanger, but instead, I see it as the key to the series.
Quite simply, Ben’s not dead.
Dan asserts you can’t go back in time and change anything. I’m not sure if he’s right; after all, he’s just spouting the same rhetoric his mother had said, in her evil Mary Poppins voice. Maybe you can change events (so far, that doesn’t seem to be working out for anyone, so maybe he is correct). Even if Dan is wrong and you CAN go back and change the past, I think it makes for much, much better storytelling if Ben’s alive.
First, Michael Emerson. I can’t bear to lose him. If Ben is dead, Michael Emerson is gone. There’s no Ben in the future, he never lives past the age of whatever he is in this episode (Sayid says 12, I’m thinking 14 or 15), and there’s no need for an adult Ben anymore.
Secondly, pretty much everything in the last few years loses its punch if Ben’s not a part of it. From the person who manipulates Locke to the reason the freighter folk show up on the island, everything rests on Ben.
But mostly, I think Sayid’s purpose in going back to 1977 becomes NOT putting an end to Ben Linus, but actually turning him into the person he will become. He hangs his head and says, “You’re right; I am a killer,” and young Ben doesn’t know what he’s talking about. But 30 years later, the adult version of Master Linus will look at Sayid and say, “You’re a killer, Sayid.”
It’s not Roger who makes Ben the horrible person, it’s Sayid. He’s a little boy who is lost because of how his father treats him, and Sayid would like to think that Ben’s childhood is very much like his own, that Ben will grow up to turn into a torturing killer just like Sayid did. But maybe there’s a difference: Lots of kids, sadly, grow up in abusive homes. They’re not all ripping out people’s fingernails from the roots when they grow up. Maybe Ben would have grown up to be an adult who was broken, but certainly not a killer.
That is, not until he’s shot in the chest by a man who barely knows him. Sayid’s act could spark Ben’s entire existence. I’ve said often in my books that Ben always seems like he knows what’s going to happen next, and I speculated that he’s jumped around in time on the island and knew what was going to happen in advance because he’d already seen it happen. BUT… maybe he knows what’s going to happen because he’s going to glean it from the survivors, who will, in one way or another, tell him.
Here’s a possible scenario: Ben survives Sayid’s attempted execution, and realizes Sayid’s not one of the Others, but in fact, hates the Others. Ben grows up, Purges the DI (it’s the survivors who will give him the idea in the first place by telling him it’s going to happen; possibly even telling him he did it), becomes one of the Others, and sits back waiting for the Oceanic survivors to show up in their plane. When they do, he decides to destroy their lives for what Sayid did to him. That spinal cancer Ben had? Could it have been compounded from the bullet he got from Sayid as a child? Remember the first person “Henry Gale” faces off against in the Armory? None other than Sayid. Ben sits there and takes the beating, knowing that someday, he’ll deliver something SO much worse than what Sayid will dish out.
Ben will orchestrate the survivors getting off the island, he will kill Nadia, turn Sayid into a hitman, take everything away from him, and JUST as Sayid is putting his life back together, he’ll get him back on the island. And maybe there, he’ll dish out the worst he’s got.
I think Sayid mistook his purpose. He’s not there to destroy Hitler, he’s there to create him.
Nikki Stafford is the author of the Finding Lost series of books, which offer episode-by-episode guides to each season. The guide to season 4 is now available at Amazon.com. She posts regularly on her television blog, Nik at Nite.
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I Do not Agree.
What i’m thinking is that 12yo Ben IS dead!
BUT that means that all the Parrallel times theories ARE CORRECT!
it’s that (yet not) simple.
Oh, come on… Pierre Chang says it’s not possible, Faraday keeps saying it’s not possible, at last Darlton said this not how the show works. Why doesn’t anyone believe it? It’s not like there being dead (seemingly or actually) and coming back would be new for the show…
I thin you would have to be very naive to think that the writers are not f**ing with us at every oppertunity. Just because they said there is no alternate time or parrallel time does not mean that we can believe them. They said the same thing about time travel and that was a load of crap. They also make mistakes a lot—like Charlotte’s age and the Obit because full of crap.
I think the two blogs I’ve read about Sayid essentially making Ben the man he is are both very plausible and solid theories.
However I think it is far more fun if Sayid has actually killed Junion-Ben. I don’t think that means Senior-Ben is dead. Because Senior Ben was on Ajira and landed in the future. I think that might just be a pocket. Ben seems to know what he is doing. Why was he on Ajira in the first place?
I think a huge assumption people are making is that time is linear thing on this show and that “the future” is set. Maybe the “ultimate future” can’t be changed. But perhaps you can mess around with it until that point. TIME seems pretty fluid on this show so maybe we shouldn’t be so locked in by our narrow ideas of it. Perhaps time runs simultaneaously.
“Perhaps time runs simultaneously.” – Desi’s Brother.
Bingo, DB! The way it appears to me, we aren’t seeing past and present so much as two locations in time. The Thirty Years Earlier slates might just as easily say “Bangkok” or “Elsewhere” or even “Meanwhile, thirty years earlier.” This seems evident by the fact that the O’screweds and the Left-Behinders both experienced a simultaneous three-year period. This addresses one issue that always bugs me in some of the best time travel stories: if you can go into the future and come back to any point in time, why wouldn’t you come right back to the moment you left, or even earlier. In this case, the ones who left the island were gone for three years, and even though the ones left behind kept jumping through time periods, from their perspective exactly the same three-year span passed. Think of time on this show as not one long measuring stick, but several much smaller rulers stacked on top of each other. (Or for a more artful explanation, just read what Dr. Manhattan has to say about it in Watchmen.) Young Ben may be dead, but that doesn’t mean Old Ben will disappear like Marty McFly. Maybe he will lose his memories from his childhood or something (only because Darlton seem to closely link the mind with time travel, much more than the body), but I don’t think that–if little Benny does die—it will undo everything that we’ve already seen. But, heck, I’m starting to confuse myself even. So I might as well stop there.
If young Ben dies it absolutely will undo everything we’ve already seen.
desi’s brother is exactly correct. the ben that was kidnapped and taken to the hatch had never met sayid when he was young. it wasn’t until the events of the 1970′s happened as we watched them that the ben of the 2000′s started having those memories.
remember desmond waking up and suddenly “remembering” something as simultaneously years earlier faraday planted that memory? same thing. as something happens in the 70′s, that memory becomes a part of the person at that point in the future. desmond didn’t remember it the day before, the week before, etc. he remembered it in PARALLEL with faraday invoking that memory years earlier, in a parallel but past time.
it’s kinda like donnie darko – the time travel has spun off a parallel “dimension” where what happens in the 1970′s directly influences what happens in this “dimension” in the 2000′s. why doesn’t it affect the ben of the 1980′s or 1990′s? because there is some link between the people who aren’t supposed to be in the past (1970′s for sawyer,et al, 1990′s when faraday tells desmond to find his mother) and their counterparts in the time where they SHOULD be (the 2000′s).
i think the only difference is the supposition that desmond can DO something about it. he can change what has happened. that’s what faraday means by saying you can’t change what happened. if you compare the 1970′s of the original timeline to the 1970′s of the “spun off dimension” they would look different, however to those involved in the spun off dimension, the things that happened have always happened, they simply start remembering that they always happened in parallel with the event happening years earlier.
*MAJOR SPOILER*
I hate to be the spoiler on the whole alive/dead thing but…and I can’t believe I’m the only one who spotted this but…everyone needs to go check out ABC’s UNTANGLED and check out the frame at minute 1:58……I’m actually shocked ABC let the cat out of the bag.
CRAZY!!!!
if you read the Press Releases for the remaining episodes, it would clarify the opinion on whether or not Ben is dead
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I agree with you Nikki! That is how it happens. Ben is 100% alive.
*MAJOR SPOILER*
I hate to be the spoiler on the whole alive/dead thing but…and I can’t believe I’m the only one who spotted this but…everyone needs to go check out ABC’s UNTANGLED and check out the frame at minute 1:58……I’m actually shocked ABC let the cat out of the bag.
My thought is that younger Ben tells Horace that he let Sayid escape because he hated being in Dharmaville and wanted to join the Others. Horace lets him go, he grows up with the Others and later joins in the killing of the DI. Thats why Ben is sad when he sees Horace dead on the bench.
Ben never abandoned the DI until the purge happened.
At least, that’s how I interpreted the scenes in “The Man behind the Curtain”.
Sorry, awful English again.
I mean: He HAD neverabandoned the DI until…
I think you’re forgetting that older Ben was part of the Dharma during the Purge.
your right
“I think Sayid mistook his purpose. He’s not there to destroy Hitler, he’s there to create him.”
He had a very good intuition that there was a greater purpose for him being there, this place, this time. It’s his conclusion that failed.
I think that’s just the way it always was meant to be.
I agree
m-lost: When Ben starts the Purge, I think he’s in a Dharma outfit isn’t he (in the van with his father)?
sorry, stale post, already answered.
Wow, I can definitely see it playing out this way, bravo! The parallel times theory is crap, IMO. That would have to be the worst thing the writers could do! Thats like every sitcom that went off the deep end and had a series finale explaining that ~*~it was all a dream~*~ or whatever (Rosanne anyone?). I believe the writers have much more in store for us than a lazy excuse like parallel times.
I don’t think that parallel times would have to be a cheap cop out. I agree that it can easily drift into messy, hackneyed territory. But I also think that for the most part we’re all basing our view of time on this show off of what we’ve seen depicted in other stories; I think that Darlton haven’t actually explained to us fully their view of how time flows. That’s part of the current mystery, one of the unanswered questions: how exactly DOES time work in the world of Lost? I can’t help but think back on Faraday’s example of a needle on a record, and picture those grooves in the record running around and around. One single line, technically, or a series of parallel lines, depending on how you look at it…
Ben couldn’t have killed Nadia as she was already dead when he landed in Tunisia.
no…
that was the first thing ben saw when he went to that inn in tunisia. sayyid was on tv, his wife had been murdered and the press was asking him questions as he was going into a car or something. i think ben just manipulated sayyid after the fact, knowing that sayyid is a vindictive killer.
I’m now waiting for Richard’s gang to show up, pick up mortally wounded little Ben and somehow resurrect him. I think they now how it’s done. They wanted their people back after the attack on Amy, plus Amy’s husband’s body. I’m willing to bet they all show up again alive and well. They can do the same for Ben.
Maybe that’s what connects him to the Others once and for all, makes him “special”.
My theory is that Richard and a few other Hostiles will find Ben but, knowing they don’t have the facilities to give him the help he needs, they’ll drop him off near Dharmaville so it’s easier for him to be found, possibly promising to come back for Ben soon. After that Ben begins his alliance with the Others while remaining “undercover” amongst the Dharmites until the Purge.
From what I’ve seen on this show, I don’t think Sayid is supposed to create or destroy a little Hitler. It’s more like a reckoning of sorts for the characters on LOST to be working out their OWN karma. I’m almost completely sure whatever happens, happens, and Ben will come out of it okay for the most part. But Sayid perhaps has missed an opportunity to make a better choice, and change for the better. Ben had problems before Sayid showed up. Likewise, Sayid had plenty of demons before Ben came along to exploit him. Killing little Ben isn’t going to bring Sayid any true absolution or work out that sense of purpose he’s felt he is missing. The three years hasn’t truly made the Oceanic 6′ers or the left-behinders better people than they were before. Their lies are catching up to them, and their loyalties to one another have dissipated. Both Sayid and Ben are casualties in a sense to the lies, and both still works in progress regarding their karma. The island isn’t through with either of them.
Holy crap. I want to go to Beena’s Lost parties. That’s the most salient, insightful comment I’ve read about this show for a long time.
You know, there’s something about this whole “whatever happened, happened” thing that’s been bugging me for quite awhile – and it ties in to the overarching mythos of the entire show. Since “Flashes Before Your Eyes”, we’ve all been mulling the concepts of determinism and course-correction as outlined by Mrs. Hawking. Then, this season, Daniel Faraday picks up this baton and again reminds us that “you can’t change the past”. And yet, just as before with Mama Hawking, as soon as someone repeats this mantra they seem to immediately set about trying to do JUST THAT.
If “whatever happened, happened”, then WHY does Desmond need to be urged to go to the Island and push the button? Why does Faraday need to tell Swan Desmond to go to Oxford and find his Mum? Why do the O6 have to be corralled into returning to the Island within “72 hours” … or God Help Us All? Why does Locke/Bentham have to facilitate this or else “the coming war’ will be won by the Wrong People? Hasn’t it already HAPPENED?
If Sayid is using his free will to choose to (try to) kill Young Ben Linus, has he ordained that this is what “happened” that set all future Island (and many off-Island) events in motion? Will it prove to have been necessary for Sayid to shoot him so that Jack and Juliet could save his life and thereby rescue the rage that would one day Purge the Dharma Initiative? If it happened already, why does Ben have to visit Sayid in Santo Domingo and call him a killer – pushing him towards a return to the Island and action that will actualize this self-fulfilling prophecy?
This is the thread that I need untangled for me. This is the nugget of information that I am panning for during each and every episode at this stage. THIS is why I love LOST.
You’ve misplaced the start and end of the time loop. The loop starts to turn back on itself in 2004, when Ben turns the wheel. This is the key event that must take place. If Hawking is truly a temporal policeman, then her job is to ensure that this event always takes place.
The loop then begins in earnest in 1954 when Locke meets Richard. It picks up again when the time jumps stop in 1974. These events, and events that have yet to be seen on the show, have always happened. The rub is that the Losties don’t know they happened – they may actively try to prevent their own future from coming to pass but unknowingly cause it. This is the entire point.
Sayid doesn’t realize he’s in a loop. From his perspective this is his chance to change things for the better by killing Ben. But he always shot Ben, and that’s why Ben comes the person he is. Ben has to visit Sayid to ensure that Sayid gets back on the plane. After the O6 get back on the plane, the time loop is satisfied. The O6 will go back and fulfill their roles just as Ben remembered. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Sayid shoots Ben because Ben goaded him to do it because Sayid shot him. Ben and Hawking are trying to preserve the timeline by ensuring the major events always happen.
As for Desmond, Faraday is trying to change the future by telling Swan Desmond to go to Oxford. This is outside the loop.
As for the “coming war” it also seems to be outside the loop. The path at this point seems to be: O6 return to 1977, fulfill their roles in the past that ensure their futures take place, return to the 2007 present with all the knowledge necessary to tilt the conflict in the desired direction.
The important thing to keep in mind is that many of these characters don’t know the past. Sayid doesn’t know he always shot Ben, for example. He doesn’t know Ben was even shot. From Sayid’s perspective he is changing the future. From the outside perspective he is just ensuring it.
In season 3, when Jack operates on Ben’s tumor, does he make any comments on Ben’s existing bullet wounds?
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Correct. There is a loop, and there are things that escape the loop. It is hinted that it is possible to change the final outcome of things, to change the past, but it’s way much more difficult than trying to kill one its key players. Widmore knows that. He wanted Ben alive, didn’t he?
I think the new mantra should be “Whatever happened happened…. so far. But if that changes… God help us all.”
The thing that struck me is that this just about completes Sayid’s story. With that said, it would stand to reason that he may not be around much longer. I can very much see him coming to a reckoning with his life, making peace with himself, running into Smokey and bye-bye Sayid (a-la Mr. Echo). I hope that I am wrong, but what else is left to tell about or through Sayid?
PS> Where are Rose and Bernard? Did they get killed and I missed it?
I’m afraid that’s true for Sayid, too.
They’ve never addressed Rose and Bernie. I suspect they will show up at some point; at the least the producers will have to explain it.
Totally agree with Nikki. I just hope that adult Ben gets killed sooner or later. If he does, I think it would be in one of the last episodes.
Good God, people! Ben Bad Bad Ben did not become Bad because Sayid shot him. He always was bad, long before this happened.
Yes, he has been abused by his father. Yes, he is a hostile environment, also thanks to his father. But blaming or excusing for purposes other than feeling self-important is ludicrous. It’s like excusing Hitler for becoming the mass murdering Jew-hater that he was because his Jewish father failed to acknowledge him.
Bad Little Ben is that way when he first meets Sayid with the sandwich – the evidence is on his face (rewatch last week’s episode). Ben betrays the Dharma Initiative (in another post someone suggested Ben is more loyal to Sayid than the Losties, but fails to realize to the Dharma Initiative he’s a traitor). Ben lies to his dad. Ben manipulates Sayid (“if I free you, you will take me to the Hostiles, won’t you”) for his own selfish reasons – to flee the Dharma Initiative and become part of the Hostile Stratagem!
Ben is bad. If we believe in time is unchangeable, then it was Ben’s fate to be evil just as it was Jack’s feet to be a prick or Kate’s fate to be a selfish slut or Juliet’s fate to be a…well, actually, I like Juliet, so…
Ben Bad Bad Ben.
Bad Little Ben, too.
I’m sorry, but why getting shot makes you bad? We’re still waiting for the possible consequences of that injury, but if nothing else happens and Ben is saved, there’s still no reason for him to turn bad. No reason at all. It’s like sayind that the cops getting shot in duty become corrupt or abusive of power. People are assuming way too much, way too quickly. Sayid was only the first step, that’s all. In Ben’s mind now, probably, one of the Hostiles tried to kill him and they can’t be trusted anymore. He must be very dissapointed.
A good comparison: Locke had ALSO and abusive father and was ALSO longing for being “adopted” by the Island folk, and he ALSO got shot… why didn’t he become a master villain?
As you have repeated your question, I will repeat my answer.
This time I want to add some little psychoanalytic insight: Ben’s character totally lacks any kind of basic trust. The lack of primal trust can be ascribed to psychological problems going back to traumatic childhood experiences. /Reference Reallex Med/ Notice that Ben’s mother died during his birth. He was never lactated by her. What infants are learning during this period is a “sense of basic trust” (or mistrust) in the world. If their needs are met promptly and lovingly, they come to feel that the world is a benign place, a place where good things generally happen and bad experiences are soon rectified. The famous psychiatrist Erik Erikson felt that this “sense of basic trust” becomes a core of the human’s character. (!!!)
Michel, imagine you are in little Ben’s position. You don’t feel familiar with almost everyone around you. You have to live under the command of a father who doesn’t love you, blames you for everything that failed in his life and hits you on a regular basis. You don’t want to perpetuate this kind of loveless life any longer.
There is this one adorable group of people that you projected all your dreams and wishes onto. It has become the most important goal in life to join them. Than, finally, there they come (at least one of them), telling you their purpose was to get you out of the nightmare that your life has been until this final moment. That’s what you’ve been waiting for patiently in two very long years. They are the ones you can trust. They want you because they appreciate you. They offer you a life, living conditions, that really are worth living.
You help the guy who has come to rescue you, free him so that he can disburden you from the misery you had to live in. He will guide on the way out into freedom, he has come to set you free. He is the angel you’ve been hoping for and desired in your dreams for your almost entirely conscious life.
Midway on the run – in a rarely auspicious moment of life – you are forced to stop. Suddenly, your reliever abandons you in a situation filled with fear and danger. When he turns back to you, the most unpredictable and sudden event happens, unimaginably he strikes you, ambushing you with a gun. He, the one you have chosen to trust, who you intrusted beyond doubt, aims to kill you, literally shoots you in the heart.
Now, would you ever trust anyone again, if you survived that? Of all the people you knew, those who you had admired and loved, want you to die. They rip you apart cold-hearded and fully intentionally. Love and friendship can never be the same again. It’s all masquerading. Once they’ve successfully pretended to like you, they’ll use you brutally. There is no way anyone could be trusted. You have to be careful, avoid personal relationships at any costs. Otherwise someone will tear you limb from limb sooner or later.
Mirko: Beautifully said! I agree with you completely. I believe Young Ben wasn’t ruined yet. He’s still a child, and is not a bad guy, as someone posted above. I think this is where his link to John Locke might come in. The philosopher John Locke believed we were all born a blank slate, written on by experience. It was Thomas Hobbes who believed man was essentially born bad. If you subscribe to the Locke theory, then Ben was born good, and experience turned him into something different. And who could come back from this experience without their psyche horribly damaged?
I agree, and it’s what I was trying to say above — I’m not suggesting the act of being shot is what turned him bad, it’s the act of betrayal that lies within that bullet wound and what it stands for that did it.
Just my opinion. I could be proven wrong by next week.
Mirko, that’s one way to put it, but not necessarilly the only one. Yes, lil’ Ben could be filled with hatred and insecurities from that bullet wound the rest of his life, but…. just because one of the Others shot him? Why? Later in his life, he will find out that Sayid Jarrah was not one of the Hostiles and that Richard’s people kept their promise and took him in, giving him a new life.
Not to mention the multiple ways he can rationalize that attack. “Richard was testing me. He told me to be patient and I was not patient. That’s why Sayid shot me. I will stay low from now on, until it’s time”. Or, possibly, a lil’ Locke moment… “They shot me, but I survived, because they won’t let me die. Because I’m special, and they are just trying me to see if I’m worthy”.
Sorry, people are jumping into the wagon here, not taking into account what may happen in Ben’s ife from now on. Not taking into account his first encounter with Jacob, or Annie’s possible death, or the reason for tricking Widmore into exile…. nothing. He lives a life of misery and here comes Sayid and shoots him… from a wound he may even survive, like a miracle!… and you all think this is the detonant. No. I don’t buy it. Not until more data is supplied.
And to reply to that little “pcoket psychology bit” of yours, I redirect you to the Locke comparison… Locke didn’t have a mother, either. And he certainly didn’t have a father figure, for good or bad. And he was pretty unsatisfied about his life, too. But yet, he doesn’t turn into a psychopatic villain. Hmmm….
There’s a difference between the producers lying about “time travel” and the “Whatever Happened, Happened” story telling device.
They go into detail about why they are adhering to the rules of you can’t change the past because it makes for better storytelling. What was the point of the first 4 seasons, and future drama, if you can just go back and change it? They explain how they detest multiple timelines and alternate futures.
With all the other stuff that they seemingly lied about, they always either dodged the question or just gave a flat out “no” because they had no other way of keeping the surprise. Did they ever go into detail of why they don’t like “time travel”? No.
Another Great Epi, But….
I was so disappointed with Sawyer in this epi. He was so weak. He has his old gang back together, he should’ve started planning in getting them together to take over the DI. Jin should have shot Radzinsky when they found Sayid last week, or this week Sawyer should have brought Jack, Kate, Juliet and Jin with him when they took Sayid to Oldham and over powered them, that would have made lots of Lost fans very happy. Sorry but I feel this war thats coming will be between 3 groups and the survivors will be on their own. Whatcha think?
Sorry, I disagree.
Sawyer and Juliet made a life for themselves on the Island with the Dharma Initiative. Juliet was worried that the return of the Oceanic 5 would signal the end of their life together. Sawyer (Lefleur), did everything he could for Said without ruining his life in Dharmaville with Juliet. I’m sure Juliet was also worried about Kate specifically, coming back.
As far as the “War” Widmore referred to, I don’t know what’s gonna happen. But I do think that all this “destiny” talk that Locke has been talking about, might go like this: He always says “you’re not SUPPOSED to leave the Island” and “we’re on this Island for a reason”. What if someone (Widmore, Hawking, Jacob… someone else?) actually did bring all these people to the Island to try to prevent certain things from happening? To try to prevent Ben from becoming the man he is, to try to prevent some catastrophe from happening. And the reason they were brought to the Island is so they would be kept in check, so they wouldn’t fullfill their destiny of going BACK in time and actually creating Ben. But, in the end, they did exactly as they always have, and would have done…
In the last LOST podcast, Lindeloff refered to “The Stand”. If you’ve never read this book, and don’t want it to be spoiled for you, don’t read any more. Lindeloff refered to “Jughead” the bomb, and “Trashcan Man” from “The Stand”. At the end of the book Las Vegas is blown up by a nuclear bomb. I HOPE this is not the way LOST ends.
Anyway, if Jughead does explode at the end of the series, maybe the whole point of this story will be to TRY to prevent this from happening. However, we all know that “Whatever Happened, Happened”.
I agree, Lostie.
Back in the day Sawyer would have had Sayid’s back a little better, as would the other Losties. The way their friendships used to be was like a strong, neat scotch. What we have now after three years of their lies to themselves, and to all persons in their lives is like a watered down drink.
I think it’s funny that people think Sawyer has such a great gig right now with the life he has built with Juliet. But it’s a gig entirely based on lies, and given the purge up ahead in the road, it’s delusional. Was Hugo the only one with any sense to at least mention the pit with all the bodies? It’s like,” Hello!!! Anybody home???” Sounds like a pretty screwed up existence to me, much like the existence of the O6 back home lying to the whole world, and having forsaken their friends. What kind of life should anyone expect to have when it is based on lies about who you really are, where you are from, and what is really important?
But I believe this is the conclusion we are supposed to come to…that the three years and the lies have weakened their bonds to one another, and weakened their character as individuals.
Except for Locke.
Beena, you have once again completed me.
You are too funny, Dolce!
Thank you, Beena, nice to see someone agrees with me.
Lets see if Sawyer and the rest get back to their roots and start doing something, maybe when they see Locke again, things will change.
Well said Nikki. I also liked reading many of the other posts here.
Ben would have grown up to be evil anyway. Lost has always stressed fate as a main theme of the show. It is presented as a choice, yet many of the characters have struggled with its inevitability. Remember how Charlie knew he was going to die?
I do not think that Ben was killed. You could argue that all of this has already happened. If it is one time line, then definitely: what happened, happened. Ben survives, grows up into the evil man we know, and would have grown up to be evil anyway. There are still events yet to happen that will change how we think of these scenes, as so many of the surprises this season relate back to events that have already occurred. I am just excited that we might find out what the incident was.
I loved Horace’s threat to call Ann Arbor. I am sure he wanted to talk to the DeGroots to solve their Sayid problem.
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