Comments on: What Nikki Noticed: 5.07 “The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham”

By: Lost Media » Nikki Stafford’s Posts on Lost 5.07

Lost Media » Nikki Stafford’s Posts on Lost 5.07 — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:51:53 +0000

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By: Heida

Heida — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:12:29 +0000

I’ve stared at the photo of Annie and Penny on Lostpedia and it is possible that they are one and the same. But I can’t imagine Ben would kill Penny if he knew she was Annie. That may save her at the last minute when he realizes it. Although, Annie has a lot of freckles so I have been trying to concoct a time travel story as to how it could be Kate. Remember when Ben made Kate put that dress on and have dinner with him? or did I dream that scene too? We definitely over think this show….

By: Heida

Heida — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:56:09 +0000

Why does everyone think that Ben did NOT know that Hawking was the key to getting back to the island? We already saw Ben with Hawking who told him the window was in 70 hours, is it a big stretch to believe he knew she knew how to get back? Then he left to start rounding people up. Did I dream this scene? I don’t know why he went ballistic on John after she mentioned Hawking. But it was a similar ballistic as when he murdered Keamey.

By: Desi's Brother

Desi's Brother — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:19:19 +0000

I can’t believe you would say that Locke is one of the best actors on television. Do you not watch Battlestar Galactica!— Michael Hogan—Colonel Tigh is one of the best actors for sure.

By: k

Sun, 01 Mar 2009 08:41:26 +0000

even more interesting after watching that last scene- lost keeps toying with crazy time- we assume that after locke saw jack he killed himself the same night- great eagles everyone else because ben does not suggest that it was the same day just that jack booked a ticket tonight- but WHEN tonight!!!?? also eloise hawking- WHEN did she know ben!!!??? WHEN we first see ben and eloise hawking interact- of course it is as if they have known each other for ages- but after watching that last scene like others have picked up- ben had the knowledge to go meet eloise and tell her he is the one that needs to get back….further if both ben and widmore know eloise would she ot be suspect- has she met either of these two men & if she knew their personalities why help them…

By: Jennifer

Jennifer — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:57:00 +0000

I’m inclined to believe he’s lying about it being Jack’s first flight because lying is what Ben does. If this isn’t Jack’s first flight, he certainly can’t tell Locke that… He’s trying to restore Locke’s faith. Telling Locke that his visit to Jack inspired him to book a flight can do that, but not if Jack’s been making those flights all along.

By: Jennifer

Jennifer — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:46:13 +0000

I don’t think Widmore is supposed to back… and I don’t think Ben was supposed to go back either. The very last scene of the episode is Ben as one of the injured– the other people on the Ajira flight that weren’t part of the O6. The very fact that Ben didn’t flash out with the O6, and is instead the victim of an apparent crash, tells me that unlike our Losties, Ben wasn’t supposed to go back. Maybe the whole reason he killed Locke wasn’t because he didn’t need him anymore, or because his death would help convince everyone else to go back, but because it was the only way he would be included in the deal. Ben needs the O6 to get back to the island, they don’t need him.

By: Nikki Stafford

Nikki Stafford — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:35:42 +0000

Here’s a thought, back to the whole Penny thing. In Jughead I speculated that Widmore and Ellie got together and had Daniel. But what if they got together and had Penny, but they named her Annie? She became friends with Ben as a child, Widmore didn’t like her being so close to Ben, and he told him to stay away or something. Ben figures out a way to trick him into turning the FDW, but Widmore goes to the wheel with Annie by his side, and they’re both ejected. They get sent far into the future, maybe 10 years, and that’s why Penny is 10+ years younger than Ben. That would also be why Ben hates Widmore so much, and why he looks at those wooden dolls with such longing.

Maybe after Ben left the marina he went to Penny to vow his undying love to her and tell her that he was actually the Ben from her childhood, and Desmond walked in and went to town on him.

This is just me thinking aloud… I’m certainly not married to this idea, but it’s a possibility. A distant, far-off, tiny possibility…

By: drsneddon

drsneddon — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:29:15 +0000

There was a lot of errors in what the O6 said that Locke told them and what he actually did.

In the funeral home, Ben asks Jack if he told him he was off the island, and Jack said yes. This didnt happen. He then told him that Locke told him that when he left ‘very bads things happened, and it was all my fault’. This didn’t happen either.

Walt told Hurley that Locke told him that the O6 were all lying – this didnt happen either. He didn’t even introduce himself as Bentham to anyone but Sayid.

Great episode, but there does seem to be a major amount of continuity errors, and it did seem a little rushed no?

By: Yonko

Yonko — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:29:07 +0000

Yep, but wouldn’t it be ironic that Widmore pushed Ben into killing his own daughter (Penny)? Banged-up Ben was all covered in blood, maybe he doesn’t know Penny was his daughter… Oh so sad, poor Ben, losing two kids already…

By: Gallifreyan

Gallifreyan — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 06:11:04 +0000

Remember the 10,000 year old Polar Bear. Maybe they somehow got the bear to push the wheel the other way.

By: dolce

dolce — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:01:20 +0000

ROFL!!!

By: dolce

dolce — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:59:20 +0000

Seriously, I will…

By: Nikki Stafford

Nikki Stafford — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:20:24 +0000

OMG. Now I REALLY want Penny to be Ben’s daughter! LOL!

By: HandsomeSmitty

HandsomeSmitty — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:46:28 +0000

Not my Ex-wife. They’ll need a chisel to get a smile on that face.

By: Jangras

Jangras — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:58:52 +0000

Well, my pleasure and honour, then: i might end up buried alive, but i’m ready to trust my heart just like a Locke an island, mia bellissima..

By: dolce

dolce — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:58:07 +0000

If Penny is Ben’s daughter, I will tatoo it on my face!

By: DHARMA Agent

DHARMA Agent — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:19:54 +0000

Regarding Sayid — maybe shortly after Bentham visited him, he became a little more paranoid, and noticed that he was being watched (and both Widmore and Ben had people watching all of the O6). A skirmish and a shootout later, and perhaps Sayid is tracking Bentham, either intentionally or unintentionally, as he moves to check on the rest of his friends and dispatch with the “agents” watching them.

Now that everyone is on the island, though, I’m certain we’ll be having some flashbacks filling in these blanks.

By: Mark

Mark — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:16:29 +0000

Maybe Ben has Sayid kill the people that Widmore needs to return to the island with.

By: DHARMA Agent

DHARMA Agent — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:16:25 +0000

No, he stated two things that people are confusing.

He met John Locke when he was 17 (in 1954).

He lead the Others for 30 years (Sometime after 1954 but before his exile).

All that we can garner from this is, if we can believe him, that he is 70 years old in 2007.

Widmore does state that he was exiled by Linus…and Linus also says that he didn’t give the order for the Purge.

Here’s a plausible scenario: Ben Workman, Undercover Other in the DHARMA Initiative, is BFF with Richard who has indicated that Linus is “special.” Ben knows that the Purge is coming, ordered by Widmore, and, for the most part, Benjamin is glad to be rid of the DHARMA Initiative.

Except that, despite Widmore’s reassurances, the Others failed to spare the life of a girl Ben’s age: Annie. Seething with a pre-existing bitterness towards Widmore, rage at his lost love, and only his passion for the Island remaining, he manages to convince Widmore to turn the wheel in order to prevent the DHARMA Initiative from ever finding the island again…

Which places Widmore’s rule from the late 50′s/early 60′s to the late 80′s/early 90′s, which jives with the current continuity.

By: Nikita

Nikita — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:45:40 +0000

I don’t think that Penny could be Ben’s daughter. I guess mostly because why would he want to kill his own biological daughter? He’s trying to seek revenge for a daughter he “adopted”…. as far as we know.

By: Nikita

Nikita — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:44:16 +0000

Interesting point! We don’t know which way Widmore pushed the wheel when he left the Island…… what if he pushed it the other way!??

Would that send you into the past off Island?

By: Nikita

Nikita — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:33:55 +0000

One of the things I found somewhat humorous…. Widmore tells John that for the past three years the O6 have been lying about what happened etc. But that plan initiated with Locke! So, of all people, Locke would have to come up with a cover story for himself to keep with the lie he purported on the Island and Jack initiated with the press conference.

By: grayslostgirl

grayslostgirl — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:24:10 +0000

also, who’s to say he doesn’t go into the past either. we know the island shifts time both future and past…who’s to say that everyone who has turned that donkey wheel found himself/herself in the future.

By: Nikki Stafford

Nikki Stafford — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:08:55 +0000

Another food for thought we’re discussing over on my blog right now; is it possible that if the island heals, then you have side effects of that when you leave? So if a bullet wound is gone in 3 days, what if a scratch takes months to heal?

I feel like I’m thinking about this way too much.