Comments on: What Nikki Noticed: 5.05 This Place Is Death

By: ackermaniv

ackermaniv — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:00:08 +0000

it’s easy. everything that happens in the past as we see it now has always happened. the ONLY difference is with desmond, because the rules don’t apply to him. it’s really not that difficult……

By: Jacobs Lather

Jacobs Lather — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:39:21 +0000

Great theory! I like your interpretation of ‘The Rules.’ Whether or not it has to do with Locke taking over the island…I’m a little iffy on that one. But I think you might be on to something regardless.

By: Jacobs Lather

Jacobs Lather — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:37:06 +0000

Or Desmond could’ve been either been covering his rear–you never know who is going to be knocking on your door or what they know or don’t know about you–or he was planning on continuing the same lie with his or Kelvin’s replacement. (Would it be someone replacing him or replacing Kelvin? Logically, it seems like he would take over Kelvin’s role and the new person would take over his role…but I have no idea of course.)

By: Nikki Stafford

Nikki Stafford — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:14:22 +0000

That’s a good point. Something is definitely different about Desmond, and I think it’s his experience that keeps throwing me off, yet everyone else’s seems to be consistent with each other.

By: Nikki Stafford

Nikki Stafford — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:11:45 +0000

You know, you bring up a really good point. I read something somewhere that the flashes seem to be too convenient and over-used as a plot device, like just when Locke is about to find out how to get off the island, he jumps. But the idea that the island is actually preventing the butterfly effect is really interesting.

By: Nikki Stafford

Nikki Stafford — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:09:32 +0000

This is fantastic, Mack. I really like the idea that if it’s not important, the brain discards it. That could explain (once I think it through) why some memories are held, others aren’t. I suggested in my post last week on this site that maybe Ben has already time-jumped and saw that Alex was supposed to have lived, and that’s what he meant when he said Widmore changed the rules. I still think it’s a viable possibility. But probably won’t be the case.

By: Nikki Stafford

Nikki Stafford — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:05:58 +0000

Absolutely. I definitely made that connection (I said on my blog that it’s interesting that despite his adamant instructions to the contrary, he will now go back in time and try to do the very thing he’s told others not to). The question wasn’t why Dan didn’t remember doing it (because he hasn’t done it yet) but Charlotte. And you’re right: the big question now will be what makes him go back and do all the other things he does?

By: Mack

Mack — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:02:39 +0000

Oddly enough I used a very similar analogy while explaining Lost time to my wife.

By: brent

brent — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:57:50 +0000

That’s pretty much what I’m thinking. Charlotte’s experience right before she dies is intriguing, however. She seems to be consciousness traveling (as others have surmised) in those final few moments back to her childhood. Almost as if the flashes have caused her mind to disassociate from her body.

We’ll have to wait and see how old Charlotte was when Faraday told her never to return.

By: Eric T

Eric T — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:27:34 +0000

I concur … The past cannot be changed. All of the time-traveling in the past have happened (ala time-travel in Terminator, where time-traveling to the past is what creates the future from which it came).

Desmond is a “wildcard” and thus is outside the Rules of LOST Time-Travel.

Rousseau doesn’t recognize Jin from 16yrs ago, because she is crazy as a loon.

Richard does recognize Locke (in 2004) from the very start. I think he uses Locke’s ability to walk as his justification to Locke as to why he is special, even though Alpert knows the real reason and that is because he knows Locke will have to travel-back to the past (1950s) at some point in the future (at that point in the story).

Daniel doesn’t remember meeting Desmond (in 1996) because, at that point in time, Dan’s memory is swiss-cheese.

Charlotte doesn’t remember Daniel from her on-Island childhood because she doesn’t remember most of that childhood.

By: Eric T

Eric T — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:49:52 +0000

Kelvin could have been out mapping the Island, while he left Des to man the Swan hatch …

By: Eric T

Eric T — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:47:27 +0000

I always thought the “Rules” were analogous to the Others’ Laws … If you kill one of your own, you are exiled (ala Juliet for killing Picket).

Ben saying that “Widmore changed the Rules”, is based on his belief that Widmore killed Alex, but Widmore found a loophole (by using Keamy to actually commit the murder) … This is the same loophole Ben used when he sent Goodwin on his mission to infiltrate the Tailies.

By: Eric T

Eric T — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:34:20 +0000

The concept of a “Master Timeline” is the central time-traveling concept used in “Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure” … Remember that the school clock always moves forward and so Bill & Ted had to race to get all those historical figured before their report was due.

By: Dolce

Dolce — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:06:15 +0000

Or maybe it’s going to get back on track (like a record skipping) to where it was going in the first place…

By: SonshineMusic

SonshineMusic — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:30:06 +0000

If this is so, then it would seem that Alex was not supposed to die and by causing her death Widmore “changed the rules”. If she hadn’t died, what would have been different? Would Locke have turned the wheel instead of Ben?

So possibly now Ben is out to try to right the wrong that Widmore set into motion by Alex’s death?