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I’m still pissed that I couldn’t get on the live chat. Poor me.
Doc is in the process of fixing it. I’m very sorry you couldn’t get in.
Awesome. Noyhing against you guys, just sad that I couldn’t participate. Thanks for everything!
oops…nothing…
yea its not working for me either
“Your buddy out there with the eyeliner…”
It was awesome!
best line of the whole season. do we think that someone else is going to acknowledge richard’s eyeliner as a major clue in figuring out the island mystery??? like – will rays of sun start coming from the eyeliner to save them all?
Has anyone else considered that the Pharaoh’s of Egypt wore eyeliner?!
He’s not wearing eyeliner though. He said in an interview after the “jughead” episode that he’s always been told it looks like he is but he said its because he has thick, black eyelashes. its just a joke the writers put in because of that. Means nothing to the story.
Sorry guys. There is an alternative! Watch for a post.
On a side note: because I just watched tonight’s episode, I’m still sad about Life On Mars has been cancelled.
was that any good? i usually spend fifteen minutes outside immediately after lost ends to smoke cigs and stare into space…so i think i missed it.
It was good, and had more potential.
Is above average better than good here? (I’m going by above average being the higher number)
Bah! I missed the episode. I had no ABC signal through Dish Network so I thought I’d be slick drive around the corner to my mother’s house and she had no ABC signal through cable. Even though I’ll be able to catch the episode on line or next week I’m still not a happy camper. Of all the days and times, it had to be during Lost. Boo!
Did anyone else scream less than two minutes into the ep? And then scream again about 6 minutes in? LOVED IT!!!
Is the statue a chic? Are you serious? It is Anubis, Egyptian God of the dead. (Jackyl head) holding an Ankh…..
you sure about anubis? he usually has some big-ish ears that are higher up on his head than the ones on the statue.
Anubis wouldn’t be considered the god of the dead… not then at least, most place him as a shepard to the dead… Osiris is considered the god of the dead (or ruler of the underworld)… not to be a jerk or anything
but he did resemble how Anubis looks… and would certainly be suiting considering they have dealt a lot with death and reincarnation.
well could the island be like the gateway for the dead? and anubis is like the guardian of the island? The island and anubis is there to lead you to your afterlife….
I voted GOOD. Some really cool stuff, but, the conversation Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, Miles & Faraday had at the outside picnic table, drove me NUTS. The damn camera would not stop moving. It was a horrible way to film that scene.
The “Four Toed Statue” has to be Egyptian, no?
Charlotte wasn’t born until 1979. Could that really be her that Daniel saw in 1974?
Now that our crew is back on The Island in the late 70′s, are we gonna witness “The Incident”?
Where are Rose & Bernard? (Probably dead in the caves after one of their time jumps… you”ll see)
If Ben is back in the ’70′s with everyone else, what happens if he comes into contact with himself? Will he warn his younger self about future events, or will something bad happen at the sight of each other? Remember the Orchid outtakes? Chang said “Don’t let (the bunnies) near each other”.
‘Bout time we got a Sawyer-centric episode !
It’s plausible that Charlotte had to create a fake identity after leaving the island, right?
Maybe Rose and Bernard are Adam & Eve or something…
Ben is not in the 70′s, he’s in the future with Locke and the survivors of flight 316.
Good episode, really liked the shot of the statue, very convincing special effects. My initial reaction was ‘Damn, that’s cool’.
It’s hard for me to get into the romance side of Lost, but they really pulled it off with this one. Maybe it’s just that I like Juliet better than Kate, but more than that, I think they utilized every bit of their writing skillz to pull the timelines’ plots together.
So, speculation time…will the donkey wheel be utilized again this season? ever?
Certainly Locke & Ben won’t be secluded from everyone else for good, right?
Alpert and his people will eventually wipe out the Dharma folks with the help of Ben Linus…
will the Losties still be around then?
Does the Incident precede the Purge?
One week we’re knee deep in Christianity, and the next, Egyptian symbolism.
I think it is safe to say that this is before Ben got there… because something tells me that if Sawyer, Jin, Miles, and most of all Juliete were around while little Ben was in the camp… I couldn’t imagine them just being OK with it.
When Ben is a child and he deactives the sonar fence and goes running into the jungle where he saw his mother, he meets Ricard. Lets look at this rationally shall we.
1. Every single time we see Ricard he has neat trimmed hair, and somewhat of business attire on.
2. This Richard looked like a bum, or a like he was an outcast.
1+2 does not equal 12…
Something happens amoung the others. Something happens either internally or between them and the Dharma folks that forces Richard to live like a hobbit in the woods. I don’t know what it is, and I am sure it has something to do with Ben.
MY THEORY.
Ben comes back to the island. Only this time he is pissed off that Jacob chose Locke to be the leader, and give him cancer, and kill his daughter, and let the Losties go. So what does he do? He shows the Dharma Folks how to hit the Hostiles where it hurts. Bada-bing-bada-boom.
I spelled “Richard” wrong twice in that post… I am dumb
Yeah, I realized last night while I was trying to fall asleep, that the other AJIRA survivors were in fact in a different (current?) time line from Jack, Hurley & Kate.
Sorry
it’s interesting how much Egyptian mythology crept into the story with this episode, what with Horace, the ankh, and the decidedly Egyptian statue.
The statue almost has to be Anubis. Regardless of the size of the ears, the statue’s ears are on top of the head, it’s holding a disc like Anubis, and it has four toes (shares this with the sphinx?).
Anubis is the gatekeeper of the underworld, and its position on the coast suggests to me that the Egyptians built it as an entrance symbol.
…don’t forget Hurley’s sphinx water color also. Definitely an egyptian (probably atlantean) theme taking shape.
Or maybe Sekhmet, the goddess of war (according to Wikipedia also a diety of women and menstruation)? Anubis’ ears seem to me more pointy, I had the impression it was a lion head…
But Anubis would fit perfectly with the story.
Could be Isis, mother of Horus (Horace) and wife/sister of Osiris. Osiris was murdered by set, the god of darkness and isis resurected him. To enact the resurection Isis first had to gather osiris bodyparts which Set had stren all over the world and bring them back to Egypt . ..sound familiar? Maybe the 06 had to come back to resurect someone . . .could be jacob – -or could be the smoke monster — Maybe the war is between jacob and smokie – - smokie really being somone like jacob who is imprisoned in smoke form. . jacob imprisoned in the cabin. . .
I named my cat OSIRIS. Just found out today he has a cancerous growth in his throat. Wish I could bring HIM to The Island.
Great episode…definite contender for best of the season. Loved the chemistry between Sawyer and Juliette, they carried this episode for sure. I’m glad they got together! The ending was very satisfying, a real payoff moment!
I hope we see more of Sawyer and the Gang in Dharma before the O6 come back, like what happens after the two weeks is up and how Sawyer gets to be Head of Security and all that.
I wonder if Horace/Annie’s baby has any significance, like if it grows up to be someone we know…
There were a few moments in the episode however that threaded the line of cheesiness…particularly the moment where Daniel thinks he saw a toddler “Charlotte”.
This episode, for some reason, made me think that Rose and Bernard are probably Adam & Eve in the caves. This is just my thought on that matter because people seem to wonder where they are this season. To me, they are really the only couple in love enough to decide to simply sit down together, hand in hand, and die. They just couldn’t keep up with all the craziness and decided to just die together as one. We may find that out later perhaps? Except, was there an episode a few seasons back where Jack determined how old Adam & Eve might be? That could throw the whole idea out the window…
they pretty much disappeared in the flaming arrow attack, which would have been 50 years from when Jack found the bodies in the cave. So not out the window, but out in the cave:)
I think the ‘incident’ will be something pertaining to the losties using the orchid station to return to the future, hence not being around for the purge or seeing little ben.
I’m pretty sure little ben is in the next episode
Not really an expert on Egypt, but could the statue be Horus? I don’t even know how I know that name, but when I was trying to think of Egytptian statue or god names, I thought Sphinx (which it clearly isn’t) and then Horus. Also, according to lostpedia two of the possible references that the four-toed statue comes from were by authors named Horace. Then of course there was Mr. Goodspeed.
Horace is from Latin Horatius, the fact that it sounds similar to Horus is actually pure coincidence…
plus… you could have used google… that would have told you who Horus was
Well I did google it, and I looked at pictures of Horus, but like a lot of the Egyptian gods there are variations on appearance and meaning and I wondered if anyone who knows more than me saw a connection to Lost that I missed. It seems to me just as likely as Anubis. My point was just that the name immediately struck me during the show without me remembering much about it, then I looked it up. And I meant more the writers might have been making a connection between Horus/Horace, I wasn’t just talking about etymology.
I think the baby will definitely end up being someone we know. I haven’t figured out who yet. Someone else came up with the idea of Ethan, which was a good theory.
I’ve long been in the camp of Adam and Eve being Rose and Bernard. I think they both had headaches and bloody noses and got really sick and so they laid down in the cave. The black and white stones are so obvious that we tend to think it can’t be that simple, but maybe it is.
Where did they get the Dharma jumpsuits from though?
Exactly. Somebody “put them” (Adam&Eve) there. They are wearing Dharma jumpsuits AND Jack classified them to be 40-50 years in 2004. Ok, he could have been wrong about the exact amount of years passed but I think they are going to get some more backstory than just two guys laying down to have a rest.
*they wore jumpsuits*
[...]
*40-50 years old*
Adam and Eve aren’t wearing DHARMA jumpsuits.
You are correct sir.
“I think the baby will definitely end up being someone we know.”
Absolutely!
I would either vote for Ethan Rome or Danny Pickett (the guy who attempted to kill Sawyer) being Amy’s son-candidates. Goodwin would be a little bit too old (imo).
The baby has been confirmed as being Ethan
Who confirmed this?
This information was not part of the actual episode. Hence it should be considered a spoiler. Please be aware that this is not a spoiler thread! At least a warning like: “the next line contains a SPOILER” would be fair.
I fear you’ve read some kind of full episode synopsis (from a source we all know). Please do not count that as official “confirmation”. There are some people (like me) who do not click on “Are you sure?”-buttons.
And they usually don’t want to be spoiled by others who do so.
“I think the baby will definitely end up being someone we know”
Carl?
I have a feeling that the statue is going to take a really really long time to discover what is means. Our fearless writers and producers have already said that its going to be one of the last things they address. Probably like the smoke monster.
I am more interested in what is going to happen when Ben Linus wakes up and John Locke is sitting next to him with that, “I am going to kick your teeth through your face” look. But Ben… being the most awesome character in the show, is going to find a way out of it, and probably convince Locke that he is still the good guy (which I still believe he is).
Richard Alpert is a badass as well… I mean he just walks into the Dharma camp, past their sonar fence like its nothing and throws down. Its obvious that Alpert can be hurt because if he couldn’t he wouldn’t have wore that gas mask during the purge.
maybe he was only wearing the mask in the Purge to make it seem like he was human to Ben. I can’t see them being able to explain why Alpert was in 1954 and then 50 years later looked exactly the same if he is human. Just keeping up appearances, like they always do on lost.
I have to say that Lost is making less and less sense every episode. The writers keep adding these storylines that are backed up by nothing. It seems like none of the characters are really aware or care about how bizarre of a situation they are in. Why does John Locke need to die in order for the Oceanic 6 to come back to the island? Why do they need to come back to the island to save the others? Why do none of the characters ask any questions? I mean, we havn’t even really gotten a clear answer on what The Others were dong on the island, and Juliet is one of them. Why dosn’t she tell them in detail who exactly The Others are, what they were doing on the island, and all the details that she knows about the island. Why don’t the rest of them try to get more answers from her. Who are the Dharma initiative? Its obvious that they are doing research and stuff, but I just find it really strange how Sawyer and people don’t just ask them wtf is going on? It seems like none of the characters care about getting answers anymore. This show is pissing me off. Anyways, if you missed tonights episode, check it out online here…
http://watchloststreaming.com/season-5-episode-8-lafleur/
…and try to see if my rant makes any sense to you.
So….you’ve noticed that the show is being written in the exact same way it has been since the first season? Try not to read this as condescending garbage (because that’s not my style, however that’s hard to convey with just text online) but the questions you have aren’t any stranger than: How did a French scientific team get to the Island but no help can get to the Island? How is there a slave ship in the middle of a pacific Island? How are there other people on the Island? How has this HUGE Island never been found by anyone in the outside world? How did an airplane from Nigeria crash on the Island? These are all questions that were eventually answered. You gotta have faith, babe.
The characters don’t acknowledge how crazy a situation they’re in because they rarely ever have. Doing such would probably mark a drastic change in form. All they’ve tried to do for the last 4+ seasons is not die and leave the island / get back to it. If they ever took a step back to look at what they were doing their heads would probably explode. That’s how Kate reacted when Jack told her that they have to go back. She realized how insane everything is and tried in vain to extricate herself from the ridiculous needs of a fucking Island but she failed to realize that the Island’s destiny is sewn into the very fabric of her own ultimate fate.
I think everyone pretty much got used to the fact that the characters don’t ask anyone pertinent questions somewhere around Season 2 when Kate found out that the Others weren’t actually homeless looking people only she didn’t tell anyone for about 10 episodes. The questions you have are valid but those are the questions that are in the progress of being answered. I would advise you to be a little more patient with the show.
By any chance are you someone who caught up with the show watching it online or have you been watching since the beginning? I know a lot of people who blew through the first four seasons in a few weeks and right now they’re having trouble with how slow everything is when you watch it in real time. Try to stick with it a little, I know how maddening it can be at times. Lost can be a harsh mistress.
I agree, and , yeah, this guy is playing catch-up.
From the wiki page for Anubis…..”Anubis was sometimes associated with Sirius in the heavens, and Cerberus in Hades.”
I think that Ben must be on the island. Remember Horace had the blonde wife (I can’t remember her name but the actress is Samantha Mathis) that was there with Horace on the side of the road when Ben was born. And then she was Ben’s teacher who did the demonstration with the volcano. Ben looked to be about 10-12 then. But in this episode Horace is married to Amy. I think she died and then Horace married Amy. So if Horace and Amy are around and together then Ben must be there somewhere. When Sawyer was walking over to Juliet’s house for dinner there was a shot in the corner of a chess board. You couldn’t see who was playing but instantly I thought it was probably Ben (Remember the mobisode of Jack and Ben playing chess).
How can the baby be Ethan or Picket? The baby would only be 27 years old at the time of the 815 crash.
Plus, that woul make them children of Dharma-not Others.
Great episode; but what I didn’t find believable was the contrast between Dharma being so careful around the “others” (security alarms, etc.) and then just letting Sawyer and company into their camp relatively unguarded (“sure, go ahead LaFleur, talk to Richard our immortal enemy that we’re so scared of we run into our houses and lock the doors”). Likewise, based on the preview, it appears that Dharma thinks Sayid is a spy? Based on what? I’m just not buying the logic from a storytelling perspective.
I did like seeing the statue…that and the ankh (the symbol on the dead husband’s body – which I wiki’d and found out that it means “eternal life”) make me believe that Charlotte is not dead. I predict that she went and stayed way back in time, that Faraday will eventually meet her in that time and he’ll build the “frozen wheel” underground. Notice that when Juliet met up with Faraday at the beginning of the episode that Faraday said something like “they can’t make me do it, I won’t”. I think he was referring to the fact that he knows he’ll be forced to create the time machine on the island, which sets the whole story into motion.
I think what he meant when he said “I won’t” was interfere with time and what happened happened. Of Charlotte remembering her chidhood enconter happened, so who knows?
Yes. I think though, that he also said “I won’t tell her…”
So I’m of the impression that Daniel was talking about Charlotte’s remembered/relived childhood encounter with a ‘scary man’ telling her to leave the Island and never come back. I believe that Dan is cruisin’ for a course correcting bruisin’.
…of course Charlotte remembering…oops!
The baby that was born last night HAS to be Jacob… Horace builds his son a cabin latr on that way
Interesting theory, but I didn’t think Jacob is human. I thought he was the guardian of the temple. Where does Jack’s family fit into the equation if Horace’s baby is Jacob? Are we saying that Horace is related to Jack somehow? Perhaps Horace is Christian’s brother?
once again . . .baby has been confirmed as Ethan Rom
Where was this confirmed?
Yeah, where? And I’m not usually a spoiler-phobe, but damn dude! Way to just lay it out there without warning or consideration… TWICE!
Quit being a jerk dude. You know this isn’t a spoiler thread.
I’m sorry but am I the ONLY person who is totally annoyed by the Sawyer/Juliet thing???? I thought it was a little boring – and predictable.
They are both supposed to be in love with people off the island, Jack & Kate. It’s not like Jin went out & started bangin the someone from DHARMA. No, Jin still loves Sun (and if he didn’t I might just have to boycott the whole show).
It just says that all 4 of them, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, & Juliet are just raging hormones & have no ability to just keep their pants on. The writers could have taken it somewhere completely different, but they didn’t.
BUT – on a side note, what if some LOSTIE gets some other DHARMA pregnant & the result is one of our favorite characters? OR – When Sawyer & Kate get back together (ahh my hopes & dreams seem unattainable) what if they pop-out a little… oh I don’t know, a little Penny (thinking that perhaps Widmore stole Penny from the island like Ben could have stole Alex from Rousseau)???? What about a little Charlotte??? Sawyer seems like he could have a little Irish in him.
Well it couldn’t be Charlotte, Faraday saw Charlotte last night
lol, Juliet was never in love with Jack.
Jin and Sun have been married for years. Do you know how long Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Juliet have known each other when Jack and Kate left? less than 4 months.
Sorry to bring shippy stuff into this, but this episode addressed that stuff:
Sawyer and Juliet is the only combo out of the Love Polygon that I can stand. I never liked Kate, but Juliet gets more awesome by the moment.
I think Juliet and Kate are both pretty boring, but Kate moreso – she doesn’t really bring anything important to the show. At least Juliet worked with the Others and has all the baby dying info. Kate just gets caught by the Others and makes out.
Yeah! Juliet FTW.
Richard Alpert looks like he could be of Egyptian decent…hmmmm
Without having read all the above posts-anyone notice the absence of any mention of a young Ben Linus in the three years (in the 70′s)? I’m still hoping the writers know what they’re doing and aren’t missing some key issues.
I have 1,000% faith that the writers know what they’re doing and haven’t forgotten about the young Ben Linus on the Island in the 70s. I’m sure it’ll come up.
I haven’t heard any mention of the Truce! I think that’s really interesting. Why did Amy want the two bodies buried? Why did it matter how deep? Why did the Others want Paul’s dead body for breaking the truce? Any theories?
Does it seem that people who die but aren’t buried reappear on the show? Christian, Locke, Charlie, Claire, Patchy? Who knows if the latter two are dead but does the theory work?
I think you’re on to something. Ties in to the Egyptian themes of this week’s episode: the island may be a half-way house where the dead and the living can interact with each other. Eko’s brother is another example of an unburied corpse reappearing or possibly being animated by Smokey. I thought it was strange last season that Keamy’s team went to all the trouble of burying Rousseau and Karl on their way to capture Ben. Maybe one of Widmore’s instructions to them?
Makes you wonder though about all those Dharma bodies thrown in that open pit after the purge.
Good point. Although we did see Goodspeed building Jacob’s cabin. Maybe they are wandering around. Maybe we’ll meet a DI worker named Jacob…
Except look at Locke with Richard, what does he say to gain an audience? “Jacob sent me.” That was 1954(?) so Jacob has been a known entity long before Mr. Goodspeed built a cabin.
I read, and I can’t find the thread, some one bring up Miles using Enos as his “cover”, not the case because that was a nod to the epic know as The Dukes of Hazzard. I knew it right away being a child of the era. Also it says Miles on his jumpsuit.