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		<title>By: plombier</title>
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		<dc:creator>plombier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 11:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>magic article rewriter download</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: imfromthepast</title>
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		<dc:creator>imfromthepast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perfect sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perfect sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 23:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does Daniel telling Desmond in the past to go see his mother violate self-consistency? Surely when Desmond saw him in the jungle, Desmond would probably think he was going crazy or something. Then when he meets Daniel when Daniel comes from the freighter, Desmond probably just forgot meeting this guy before in the jungle (like Rousseau with Jin). When Desmond is off the island in about 2007, we then see him waking up and remembering this event. This isn&#039;t necessarily because he&#039;s &quot;special&quot;, rather that he&#039;d just be asleep, and his dreams triggered this memory. Okay, so I&#039;m probably talking rubbish, since they&#039;ll likely prove me wrong in the next episodes, but anyway, make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Daniel telling Desmond in the past to go see his mother violate self-consistency? Surely when Desmond saw him in the jungle, Desmond would probably think he was going crazy or something. Then when he meets Daniel when Daniel comes from the freighter, Desmond probably just forgot meeting this guy before in the jungle (like Rousseau with Jin). When Desmond is off the island in about 2007, we then see him waking up and remembering this event. This isn&#8217;t necessarily because he&#8217;s &#8220;special&#8221;, rather that he&#8217;d just be asleep, and his dreams triggered this memory. Okay, so I&#8217;m probably talking rubbish, since they&#8217;ll likely prove me wrong in the next episodes, but anyway, make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: imfromthepast</title>
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		<dc:creator>imfromthepast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 17:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on preview clip #4 for Follow the Leader, I suspect I am going to be vindicated on this point tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on preview clip #4 for Follow the Leader, I suspect I am going to be vindicated on this point tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: imfromthepast</title>
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		<dc:creator>imfromthepast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 22:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethan shooting Locke happened on the day the Nigerian plane crashed, then Locked flashed to an undetermined time and got healed by Richard. I posit that Locke getting patched up by Richard will take place post Ajira crash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethan shooting Locke happened on the day the Nigerian plane crashed, then Locked flashed to an undetermined time and got healed by Richard. I posit that Locke getting patched up by Richard will take place post Ajira crash.</p>
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		<title>By: LOST: Self-Consistent Time Travel - Part III: The Faradox &#124; Lost Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOST: Self-Consistent Time Travel - Part III: The Faradox &#124; Lost Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 21:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all the above sounds like circular logic, I refer you to the story I told in Part II of this series. That story involved a group of aliens obliterating all life on earth in order to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: LOST: Self-Consistent Time Travel - Part III: The Faradox - DocArzt&#8217;s LOST Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOST: Self-Consistent Time Travel - Part III: The Faradox - DocArzt&#8217;s LOST Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 21:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all the above sounds like circular logic, I refer you to the story I told in Part II of this series. That story involved a group of aliens obliterating all life on earth in order to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ebonX</title>
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		<dc:creator>ebonX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You bring up a good point that I have been questioning ... How can the Ajira 316 survivors be in 2007 (as shown in &quot;316&quot;)? 

The only explanation I can come up with is that the 316ers time-shifted (from early-2008 back a couple months to late-2007).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You bring up a good point that I have been questioning &#8230; How can the Ajira 316 survivors be in 2007 (as shown in &#8220;316&#8243;)? </p>
<p>The only explanation I can come up with is that the 316ers time-shifted (from early-2008 back a couple months to late-2007).</p>
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		<title>By: ebonX</title>
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		<dc:creator>ebonX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it helps, the number of Other&#039;s canoes follow the same logic ... 

Pre-1988 - &quot;X&quot; number of canoes

1988 - Left Behinders flash (from ~2008 - Ep. The Little Prince) back to 1988 with the canoe

1988-2008 - &quot;X+1&quot; canoes

2008 - Left Behinders take canoe from their beach camp (see Ep. The Little Prince)

2008 &amp; beyond - Only &quot;X&quot; number of canoes exist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it helps, the number of Other&#8217;s canoes follow the same logic &#8230; </p>
<p>Pre-1988 &#8211; &#8220;X&#8221; number of canoes</p>
<p>1988 &#8211; Left Behinders flash (from ~2008 &#8211; Ep. The Little Prince) back to 1988 with the canoe</p>
<p>1988-2008 &#8211; &#8220;X+1&#8243; canoes</p>
<p>2008 &#8211; Left Behinders take canoe from their beach camp (see Ep. The Little Prince)</p>
<p>2008 &amp; beyond &#8211; Only &#8220;X&#8221; number of canoes exist</p>
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		<title>By: ebonX</title>
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		<dc:creator>ebonX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TPTB could not send Desmond (physically) back in time, or else the show&#039;s &quot;Rules of Time Travel&quot; (i.e. Self-Consistency) would be null and void.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TPTB could not send Desmond (physically) back in time, or else the show&#8217;s &#8220;Rules of Time Travel&#8221; (i.e. Self-Consistency) would be null and void.</p>
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		<title>By: TimeTravelJunkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimeTravelJunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the article, but I think I see a problem in the &quot;Newly resurrected Locke....&quot; paragraph in the &quot;History of the Island&quot; section.  By the time Locke returns on Flight 316, his being shot by Ethan and patched up by Richard HAS already happened, because Ethan was killed by Charlie sometime during the three months following the original Oceanic 815 crash.  Ethan&#039;s reaction to Locke at the plane suggests that he doesn&#039;t even recognize him, which means that Locke was shot by Ethan during a time-flash that placed Locke sometime before the Oceanic 815 crash.

UNLESS...Arija 316 has travelled to the past and we just haven&#039;t been filled in on that tidbit yet.  Then Locke could tell Richard about his Excellent Adventure as you described.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the article, but I think I see a problem in the &#8220;Newly resurrected Locke&#8230;.&#8221; paragraph in the &#8220;History of the Island&#8221; section.  By the time Locke returns on Flight 316, his being shot by Ethan and patched up by Richard HAS already happened, because Ethan was killed by Charlie sometime during the three months following the original Oceanic 815 crash.  Ethan&#8217;s reaction to Locke at the plane suggests that he doesn&#8217;t even recognize him, which means that Locke was shot by Ethan during a time-flash that placed Locke sometime before the Oceanic 815 crash.</p>
<p>UNLESS&#8230;Arija 316 has travelled to the past and we just haven&#8217;t been filled in on that tidbit yet.  Then Locke could tell Richard about his Excellent Adventure as you described.</p>
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		<title>By: cora4</title>
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		<dc:creator>cora4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last correction-Sorry, a few typos. To make my question clearer-
If Faraday believes without fail “whatever happened happened,” why does he warn child Charlotte to leave the island? He would presumably only do that if he knew what was going to happen to her. For him to know what was going to happen to her, he would have had have already experienced her death and thus, be warning her in her past, but his future (from the time of her death). So unless he later on learns of a way to change what happened/will happen, or I’m missing something else, how is this consistent with the Theory of Self-Consistent Time Travel? The only other thing I can think of is that he was delirious with grief and disregarded the rules because of that-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last correction-Sorry, a few typos. To make my question clearer-<br />
If Faraday believes without fail “whatever happened happened,” why does he warn child Charlotte to leave the island? He would presumably only do that if he knew what was going to happen to her. For him to know what was going to happen to her, he would have had have already experienced her death and thus, be warning her in her past, but his future (from the time of her death). So unless he later on learns of a way to change what happened/will happen, or I’m missing something else, how is this consistent with the Theory of Self-Consistent Time Travel? The only other thing I can think of is that he was delirious with grief and disregarded the rules because of that-</p>
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		<title>By: cora4</title>
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		<dc:creator>cora4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, a few typos. To make my question clearer-
If Faraday believes without fail &quot;whatever happened happened,&quot; why does he warn child Charlotte to leave the island? He would presumably only do that if he knew what was going to happen to her. For him to know what was going to happen to her, he would have had have already experienced her death and thus, have traveled to the past on his personal timeline when he warns her. So unless he later on learns of a way to change what happened/will happen, or I&#039;m missing something else, how is this consistent with the Theory of Self-Consistent Time Travel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, a few typos. To make my question clearer-<br />
If Faraday believes without fail &#8220;whatever happened happened,&#8221; why does he warn child Charlotte to leave the island? He would presumably only do that if he knew what was going to happen to her. For him to know what was going to happen to her, he would have had have already experienced her death and thus, have traveled to the past on his personal timeline when he warns her. So unless he later on learns of a way to change what happened/will happen, or I&#8217;m missing something else, how is this consistent with the Theory of Self-Consistent Time Travel?</p>
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		<title>By: cora4</title>
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		<dc:creator>cora4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the excellent time explanation. However, I still have a question: How could Faraday warn child Charlotte to leave the island, as he himself came was the one who said &quot;whatever happens, happens?&quot; Which may lead us to the question of at what point in Faraday&#039;s life is he with Charlotte when she dies? She makes it sound like a similarly aged/older version of him had squared her as a child, but wouldn&#039;t Faraday only have done that after experiencing her death? Doesn&#039;t that contradict his own quintessential statement or am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the excellent time explanation. However, I still have a question: How could Faraday warn child Charlotte to leave the island, as he himself came was the one who said &#8220;whatever happens, happens?&#8221; Which may lead us to the question of at what point in Faraday&#8217;s life is he with Charlotte when she dies? She makes it sound like a similarly aged/older version of him had squared her as a child, but wouldn&#8217;t Faraday only have done that after experiencing her death? Doesn&#8217;t that contradict his own quintessential statement or am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: imfromthepast</title>
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		<dc:creator>imfromthepast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 04:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are right, they are using tt to kill two birds with one stone. A. as an interactive flashback of sorts, and B. to as a plot device.
As for Des, I would have left all that course correction stuff out and just treated the consciouness traveling stuff self consistently.

but that&#039;s just me.

I trust Darlton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are right, they are using tt to kill two birds with one stone. A. as an interactive flashback of sorts, and B. to as a plot device.<br />
As for Des, I would have left all that course correction stuff out and just treated the consciouness traveling stuff self consistently.</p>
<p>but that&#8217;s just me.</p>
<p>I trust Darlton.</p>
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		<title>By: RWGibson13</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWGibson13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the best explanations of the &quot;Whatever Happened, Happened,&quot; side, though I&#039;m leaning that way.  But I&#039;d never have half the patience to spend all this time and effort to explain it :-)

A few comments.  

Re: Danielle and Jin, IIRC, she didn&#039;t have a whole lot of face time with him, maybe not enough to recognize him in her addled mind. 

When she first approached the Lostaway camp in Season One with all the &quot;Other talk,&quot; he was on the raft. 

The only real time we know for certain they shared face time were in &quot;Greatest Hits&quot; when she and Jack were showing off the dynamite and in that episode in Season Four where pretty much everyone was choosing sides to go with Locke or Jack. And in both of those episodes, there were so many people mulling about that chances are good that she may not have even noticed him.

And though it&#039;s slightly OT for this, I want to take this space to push my &quot;Locke is like Desmond&quot; theory because there are just some things that still don&#039;t sit well with me about some bits we&#039;ve seen. Unless you want to buy into the psychic or &quot;reincarnation&quot; thing, the childLocke scenes in &quot;Cabin Fever&quot; don&#039;t make a whole lot of sense unless Locke&#039;s consciousness is jumping around on some level.  

Exactly HOW did he recognize the compass and sand and knife? 

What&#039;s up with the smoke monster pic?  The producers certainly made a big deal out of it, something I doubt they would&#039;ve done if it was supposed to be just a big coincidence.

RWG (and Locke was, like Desmond, at ground zero when Des turned the failsafe key)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the best explanations of the &#8220;Whatever Happened, Happened,&#8221; side, though I&#8217;m leaning that way.  But I&#8217;d never have half the patience to spend all this time and effort to explain it <img src='http://www.docarzt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>A few comments.  </p>
<p>Re: Danielle and Jin, IIRC, she didn&#8217;t have a whole lot of face time with him, maybe not enough to recognize him in her addled mind. </p>
<p>When she first approached the Lostaway camp in Season One with all the &#8220;Other talk,&#8221; he was on the raft. </p>
<p>The only real time we know for certain they shared face time were in &#8220;Greatest Hits&#8221; when she and Jack were showing off the dynamite and in that episode in Season Four where pretty much everyone was choosing sides to go with Locke or Jack. And in both of those episodes, there were so many people mulling about that chances are good that she may not have even noticed him.</p>
<p>And though it&#8217;s slightly OT for this, I want to take this space to push my &#8220;Locke is like Desmond&#8221; theory because there are just some things that still don&#8217;t sit well with me about some bits we&#8217;ve seen. Unless you want to buy into the psychic or &#8220;reincarnation&#8221; thing, the childLocke scenes in &#8220;Cabin Fever&#8221; don&#8217;t make a whole lot of sense unless Locke&#8217;s consciousness is jumping around on some level.  </p>
<p>Exactly HOW did he recognize the compass and sand and knife? </p>
<p>What&#8217;s up with the smoke monster pic?  The producers certainly made a big deal out of it, something I doubt they would&#8217;ve done if it was supposed to be just a big coincidence.</p>
<p>RWG (and Locke was, like Desmond, at ground zero when Des turned the failsafe key)</p>
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		<title>By: RWGibson13</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWGibson13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t know WHY he would believe the compass was significant to a young Locke, but he obviously DID think it significant enough to bring it with him as part of the &quot;test&quot; :-)

RWG (I&#039;m hoping we get more explanation of this &quot;Dalia Lama&quot; test thing sometime)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t know WHY he would believe the compass was significant to a young Locke, but he obviously DID think it significant enough to bring it with him as part of the &#8220;test&#8221; <img src='http://www.docarzt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>RWG (I&#8217;m hoping we get more explanation of this &#8220;Dalia Lama&#8221; test thing sometime)</p>
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		<title>By: RWGibson13</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWGibson13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got the feeling that childLocke &quot;failed&quot; the first test only in that he &quot;wasn&#039;t ready&quot; at the time.  I mean, he got two out of three (including the all important compass) right in Alpert&#039;s eyes and only &quot;failed&quot; when he picked the knife, which we all know was extremely correct, but that Alpert was unaware of it at the time.  

I don&#039;t know that the second offer really had anything to do with Sawyer&#039;s meeting with Alpert in &#039;74, though it would certainly be cool if the numbers worked...then, again, they may have been meant to, but the producers screwed up on the timing, just like the screw up on a lot of stuff that gets glossed over...

RWG (but I felt that Alpert never really &quot;gave up&quot; on Locke, he was just being &quot;paitent&quot; :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got the feeling that childLocke &#8220;failed&#8221; the first test only in that he &#8220;wasn&#8217;t ready&#8221; at the time.  I mean, he got two out of three (including the all important compass) right in Alpert&#8217;s eyes and only &#8220;failed&#8221; when he picked the knife, which we all know was extremely correct, but that Alpert was unaware of it at the time.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that the second offer really had anything to do with Sawyer&#8217;s meeting with Alpert in &#8217;74, though it would certainly be cool if the numbers worked&#8230;then, again, they may have been meant to, but the producers screwed up on the timing, just like the screw up on a lot of stuff that gets glossed over&#8230;</p>
<p>RWG (but I felt that Alpert never really &#8220;gave up&#8221; on Locke, he was just being &#8220;paitent&#8221; <img src='http://www.docarzt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RWGibson13</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWGibson13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of like the idea that it WAS that same compass that Locke gave Sayid way back in Season One.  Sayid thought it worthless because it didn&#039;t seem to work properly because of the bizarre nature of the magnetic anomoly (the Swan, I&#039;m guessing) and threw it away.  Richard found it or someone else found it and gave it to Richard sometime between 2004 and 2007. 

Why Richard found it initially interesting in 1954 could easily be explained later in the series. Heck, everyone gets bizarre precog dreams on Craphole Island, why not Richard Alpert?

And that&#039;s not even taking into account that it&#039;s probably his &quot;job&quot; to be on the lookout for strange stuff.  

RWG (thus his fascination with youngBen when he claimed to be following his dead mother)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of like the idea that it WAS that same compass that Locke gave Sayid way back in Season One.  Sayid thought it worthless because it didn&#8217;t seem to work properly because of the bizarre nature of the magnetic anomoly (the Swan, I&#8217;m guessing) and threw it away.  Richard found it or someone else found it and gave it to Richard sometime between 2004 and 2007. </p>
<p>Why Richard found it initially interesting in 1954 could easily be explained later in the series. Heck, everyone gets bizarre precog dreams on Craphole Island, why not Richard Alpert?</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s not even taking into account that it&#8217;s probably his &#8220;job&#8221; to be on the lookout for strange stuff.  </p>
<p>RWG (thus his fascination with youngBen when he claimed to be following his dead mother)</p>
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		<title>By: DezziesOtherLifeBrotha</title>
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		<dc:creator>DezziesOtherLifeBrotha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree... I&#039;ve been thinking since day 1 seeing that compass that it came from the Black Rock. I do not think that what you are suggesting renders the compass meaningless either. 

Let&#039;s just say for instance that both Charles Widmore and Richard Alpert were part of the crew of the Black Rock (Stay with me.) Magnus Hanso is the captain, Alpert a first mate and Widmore a swabbie (at age 17.) The compass belongs to Hanso. Something happens after they arrive on the island. Hanso is killed* (note &#039;killed&#039; not &#039;dies of natural causes.&#039;) Richard and Widmore do not because after you are indoctrinated on the island (enter the temple, perform a raindance for smokey) you do not die of natural causes (entirely plausible and long a theory of mine.) You do not age. Widmore stays 17. Widmore is banished from said island by way of frozen donkey wheel a la Benjamin Linus. He ages... rapidly. As does Eloise Hawking. Richard remembers the compass from the Black Rock. Voila. 

MAJOR HOLES! you say.... Yes. Why does the compass travel into the future to Richard to give to John Locke in the jungle? We don&#039;t know, but this could still be explained. 

How is it that Ben seems to age from being a young boy to being the 50 year old adult we know him as today? Perhaps because he has never been accepted by the island, the same reason that he had a spinal tumor and was stricken to a wheelchair while the island is healing John Locke and RAISING HIM FROM THE DEAD. 

I dunno, in all honesty, ever since &quot;the Constant&quot; &amp; &quot;the Shape of Things to Come&quot; and perhaps since the first time we laid eyes on the Black Rock, I wanted there to be a real tangible connection to the present. I wanted to see a flashback to the Black Rock&#039;s arrival. I wanted to believe that Richard or Widmore or Jacob or Christian or someone was ON that ship. I&#039;m betting that in the next few episodes this theory will be dead because we will learn more about Widmore leaving the island.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree&#8230; I&#8217;ve been thinking since day 1 seeing that compass that it came from the Black Rock. I do not think that what you are suggesting renders the compass meaningless either. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just say for instance that both Charles Widmore and Richard Alpert were part of the crew of the Black Rock (Stay with me.) Magnus Hanso is the captain, Alpert a first mate and Widmore a swabbie (at age 17.) The compass belongs to Hanso. Something happens after they arrive on the island. Hanso is killed* (note &#8216;killed&#8217; not &#8216;dies of natural causes.&#8217;) Richard and Widmore do not because after you are indoctrinated on the island (enter the temple, perform a raindance for smokey) you do not die of natural causes (entirely plausible and long a theory of mine.) You do not age. Widmore stays 17. Widmore is banished from said island by way of frozen donkey wheel a la Benjamin Linus. He ages&#8230; rapidly. As does Eloise Hawking. Richard remembers the compass from the Black Rock. Voila. </p>
<p>MAJOR HOLES! you say&#8230;. Yes. Why does the compass travel into the future to Richard to give to John Locke in the jungle? We don&#8217;t know, but this could still be explained. </p>
<p>How is it that Ben seems to age from being a young boy to being the 50 year old adult we know him as today? Perhaps because he has never been accepted by the island, the same reason that he had a spinal tumor and was stricken to a wheelchair while the island is healing John Locke and RAISING HIM FROM THE DEAD. </p>
<p>I dunno, in all honesty, ever since &#8220;the Constant&#8221; &amp; &#8220;the Shape of Things to Come&#8221; and perhaps since the first time we laid eyes on the Black Rock, I wanted there to be a real tangible connection to the present. I wanted to see a flashback to the Black Rock&#8217;s arrival. I wanted to believe that Richard or Widmore or Jacob or Christian or someone was ON that ship. I&#8217;m betting that in the next few episodes this theory will be dead because we will learn more about Widmore leaving the island.</p>
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		<title>By: singitloud</title>
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		<dc:creator>singitloud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely a wonderful read. I hope it is as satisfying to you knowing that this article is appreciated as it was for me reading it. I look forward to part 3.

Dwaine Stroud
Athens, AL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely a wonderful read. I hope it is as satisfying to you knowing that this article is appreciated as it was for me reading it. I look forward to part 3.</p>
<p>Dwaine Stroud<br />
Athens, AL</p>
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		<title>By: DezziesOtherLifeBrotha</title>
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		<dc:creator>DezziesOtherLifeBrotha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one did read that post and I thought it was fascinating. However, the WHEEL did exist PRE-well, as Locke was buried down below when the Statue was standing intact and the rope was buried deep in the earth, so somehow, someone built that wheel before the rope was found in the ground, the well was dug and the orchid built. 

So the rope may indeed have led someone to dig the well to the frozen donkey wheel, but it did not lead to the construction of the frozen donkey wheel itself. What if the wheel has existed since the beginning of the island, like perhaps it is the gearbox for the whole alien timeship... The natives could have discovered the rope and dug the well. What if the idea of the natives is misleading in itself? Perhaps they existed long before the Black Rock but were not the first inhabitants of the island. 

Can anyone recall if the pillar with hieroglyphics was present when Locke turned the frozen donkey wheel?

On an unrelated note, I&#039;d like to offer that perhaps the captain of the Black Rock had foreknowledge of the island&#039;s existence as it seems apropos that it was christened &quot;the Black Rock&quot; and arrived in the center of a massive electromagnetic Black Rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one did read that post and I thought it was fascinating. However, the WHEEL did exist PRE-well, as Locke was buried down below when the Statue was standing intact and the rope was buried deep in the earth, so somehow, someone built that wheel before the rope was found in the ground, the well was dug and the orchid built. </p>
<p>So the rope may indeed have led someone to dig the well to the frozen donkey wheel, but it did not lead to the construction of the frozen donkey wheel itself. What if the wheel has existed since the beginning of the island, like perhaps it is the gearbox for the whole alien timeship&#8230; The natives could have discovered the rope and dug the well. What if the idea of the natives is misleading in itself? Perhaps they existed long before the Black Rock but were not the first inhabitants of the island. </p>
<p>Can anyone recall if the pillar with hieroglyphics was present when Locke turned the frozen donkey wheel?</p>
<p>On an unrelated note, I&#8217;d like to offer that perhaps the captain of the Black Rock had foreknowledge of the island&#8217;s existence as it seems apropos that it was christened &#8220;the Black Rock&#8221; and arrived in the center of a massive electromagnetic Black Rock.</p>
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		<title>By: freelancefamine</title>
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		<dc:creator>freelancefamine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious if you read a post regarding the rope, that essentially said, &#039;what if the rope being stuck in the ground (via Sawyer holding it), was the impetus later on for someone finding the rope and deciding to dig a well to see what the hell the rope was for?&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious if you read a post regarding the rope, that essentially said, &#8216;what if the rope being stuck in the ground (via Sawyer holding it), was the impetus later on for someone finding the rope and deciding to dig a well to see what the hell the rope was for?&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: imfromthepast</title>
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		<dc:creator>imfromthepast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>enjoy it while it lasts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>enjoy it while it lasts&#8230;</p>
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