Comments on: LOST: Self-Consistent Time Travel – Part II: Season 5 is Paradox Free!

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By: imfromthepast

imfromthepast — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:14:50 +0000

perfect sense.

By: Alex

Alex — Wed, 06 May 2009 23:11:26 +0000

Why does Daniel telling Desmond in the past to go see his mother violate self-consistency? Surely when Desmond saw him in the jungle, Desmond would probably think he was going crazy or something. Then when he meets Daniel when Daniel comes from the freighter, Desmond probably just forgot meeting this guy before in the jungle (like Rousseau with Jin). When Desmond is off the island in about 2007, we then see him waking up and remembering this event. This isn’t necessarily because he’s “special”, rather that he’d just be asleep, and his dreams triggered this memory. Okay, so I’m probably talking rubbish, since they’ll likely prove me wrong in the next episodes, but anyway, make sense?

By: imfromthepast

imfromthepast — Tue, 05 May 2009 17:15:45 +0000

Based on preview clip #4 for Follow the Leader, I suspect I am going to be vindicated on this point tomorrow.

By: imfromthepast

imfromthepast — Fri, 01 May 2009 22:20:22 +0000

Ethan shooting Locke happened on the day the Nigerian plane crashed, then Locked flashed to an undetermined time and got healed by Richard. I posit that Locke getting patched up by Richard will take place post Ajira crash.

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LOST: Self-Consistent Time Travel - Part III: The Faradox | Lost Blog — Fri, 01 May 2009 21:28:49 +0000

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Fri, 01 May 2009 21:05:35 +0000

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By: ebonX

ebonX — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:26:42 +0000

You bring up a good point that I have been questioning … How can the Ajira 316 survivors be in 2007 (as shown in “316″)?

The only explanation I can come up with is that the 316ers time-shifted (from early-2008 back a couple months to late-2007).

By: ebonX

ebonX — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:21:26 +0000

If it helps, the number of Other’s canoes follow the same logic …

Pre-1988 – “X” number of canoes

1988 – Left Behinders flash (from ~2008 – Ep. The Little Prince) back to 1988 with the canoe

1988-2008 – “X+1″ canoes

2008 – Left Behinders take canoe from their beach camp (see Ep. The Little Prince)

2008 & beyond – Only “X” number of canoes exist

By: ebonX

ebonX — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:12:57 +0000

TPTB could not send Desmond (physically) back in time, or else the show’s “Rules of Time Travel” (i.e. Self-Consistency) would be null and void.

By: TimeTravelJunkie

TimeTravelJunkie — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:53:05 +0000

Love the article, but I think I see a problem in the “Newly resurrected Locke….” paragraph in the “History of the Island” section. By the time Locke returns on Flight 316, his being shot by Ethan and patched up by Richard HAS already happened, because Ethan was killed by Charlie sometime during the three months following the original Oceanic 815 crash. Ethan’s reaction to Locke at the plane suggests that he doesn’t even recognize him, which means that Locke was shot by Ethan during a time-flash that placed Locke sometime before the Oceanic 815 crash.

UNLESS…Arija 316 has travelled to the past and we just haven’t been filled in on that tidbit yet. Then Locke could tell Richard about his Excellent Adventure as you described.

By: cora4

cora4 — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:47:44 +0000

Last correction-Sorry, a few typos. To make my question clearer-
If Faraday believes without fail “whatever happened happened,” why does he warn child Charlotte to leave the island? He would presumably only do that if he knew what was going to happen to her. For him to know what was going to happen to her, he would have had have already experienced her death and thus, be warning her in her past, but his future (from the time of her death). So unless he later on learns of a way to change what happened/will happen, or I’m missing something else, how is this consistent with the Theory of Self-Consistent Time Travel? The only other thing I can think of is that he was delirious with grief and disregarded the rules because of that-

By: cora4

cora4 — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:41:03 +0000

Sorry, a few typos. To make my question clearer-
If Faraday believes without fail “whatever happened happened,” why does he warn child Charlotte to leave the island? He would presumably only do that if he knew what was going to happen to her. For him to know what was going to happen to her, he would have had have already experienced her death and thus, have traveled to the past on his personal timeline when he warns her. So unless he later on learns of a way to change what happened/will happen, or I’m missing something else, how is this consistent with the Theory of Self-Consistent Time Travel?

By: cora4

cora4 — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:23:50 +0000

Thanks for the excellent time explanation. However, I still have a question: How could Faraday warn child Charlotte to leave the island, as he himself came was the one who said “whatever happens, happens?” Which may lead us to the question of at what point in Faraday’s life is he with Charlotte when she dies? She makes it sound like a similarly aged/older version of him had squared her as a child, but wouldn’t Faraday only have done that after experiencing her death? Doesn’t that contradict his own quintessential statement or am I missing something?

By: imfromthepast

imfromthepast — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 04:21:20 +0000

I think you are right, they are using tt to kill two birds with one stone. A. as an interactive flashback of sorts, and B. to as a plot device.
As for Des, I would have left all that course correction stuff out and just treated the consciouness traveling stuff self consistently.

but that’s just me.

I trust Darlton.