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	<title>Comments on: LOST 5.12 &#8211; Dead Is Dead &#8211; Keep on Redeeming Me Baby&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: DezziesOtherLifeBrotha</title>
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		<dc:creator>DezziesOtherLifeBrotha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drew a different interpretation from this episode. I saw it as he put the island before his daughter and that was what saved him in smoky&#039;s eyes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I drew a different interpretation from this episode. I saw it as he put the island before his daughter and that was what saved him in smoky&#8217;s eyes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: maeve</title>
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		<dc:creator>maeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They put the insert of Ben opening the gas canister to show he was complicit in the murder of his father not the DI. The wanted it made more clear that Ben had an active role in his father&#039;s death and not a passive one.  
 
Ben did not commit genocide. The Purge was not genocide; it was mass murder. I wish people would quit using emotionally packed words like that incorrectly. 

The DI was essentially an invading army in khaki jumpusits. They had no respect for the culture already living on the island and built on top or near the native&#039;s ancient structures in order to conduct experiments. They came close to destroying one of those structures (the wall surrounding the pocket of exotic matter) and with it the world. Dharma was ready to unleash unknown forces in order to conduct experiments involving properties they knew little about. 

It is not murder to fight off invaders. Dharma was at war with the natives and those who died in the Purge were the causalities of a war they themselves started. There were a number of DI members who also passively took part in the Purge because they understood the immorality of what they were doing.  

Is Ben a cold blooded killer if he trying to defend his country from an invasion? Doesn&#039;t that make him a patriot? And yes it became his country when, as a child, two members of the DI handed him over to the natives and allowed them to physically and psychologically change him into a native. Jacob is the leader of the island and he determines who lives and dies on his island not Ann Arbor. 

This is how our perception of Ben will change. We will learn what is at stake on the island and be confronted with our prejudices. Our point of view will be turned upside down so good will be bad and wrong will be right. It&#039;s all just a matter of perspective anyway isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They put the insert of Ben opening the gas canister to show he was complicit in the murder of his father not the DI. The wanted it made more clear that Ben had an active role in his father&#8217;s death and not a passive one.  </p>
<p>Ben did not commit genocide. The Purge was not genocide; it was mass murder. I wish people would quit using emotionally packed words like that incorrectly. </p>
<p>The DI was essentially an invading army in khaki jumpusits. They had no respect for the culture already living on the island and built on top or near the native&#8217;s ancient structures in order to conduct experiments. They came close to destroying one of those structures (the wall surrounding the pocket of exotic matter) and with it the world. Dharma was ready to unleash unknown forces in order to conduct experiments involving properties they knew little about. </p>
<p>It is not murder to fight off invaders. Dharma was at war with the natives and those who died in the Purge were the causalities of a war they themselves started. There were a number of DI members who also passively took part in the Purge because they understood the immorality of what they were doing.  </p>
<p>Is Ben a cold blooded killer if he trying to defend his country from an invasion? Doesn&#8217;t that make him a patriot? And yes it became his country when, as a child, two members of the DI handed him over to the natives and allowed them to physically and psychologically change him into a native. Jacob is the leader of the island and he determines who lives and dies on his island not Ann Arbor. </p>
<p>This is how our perception of Ben will change. We will learn what is at stake on the island and be confronted with our prejudices. Our point of view will be turned upside down so good will be bad and wrong will be right. It&#8217;s all just a matter of perspective anyway isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one thing you&#039;re forgetting is that Ben lies. As far as I&#039;m concerned, we don&#039;t know for sure that Ben does or does not remember our Losties being in the DI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one thing you&#8217;re forgetting is that Ben lies. As far as I&#8217;m concerned, we don&#8217;t know for sure that Ben does or does not remember our Losties being in the DI.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s exactly it either, Marc. Ben didn&#039;t kill Danielle, but Alex still grew up without a mother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s exactly it either, Marc. Ben didn&#8217;t kill Danielle, but Alex still grew up without a mother.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Holland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t really respond well to criticism, no matter how tiny, do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t really respond well to criticism, no matter how tiny, do you?</p>
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		<title>By: LOST Video Recaps Exposed! - DocArzt&#8217;s LOST Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-news/lost-512-dead-is-dead-keep-on-redeeming-me-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-33650</link>
		<dc:creator>LOST Video Recaps Exposed! - DocArzt&#8217;s LOST Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] LOST 5.12 - Dead Is Dead - Keep on Redeeming Me Baby… [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dolce</title>
		<link>http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-news/lost-512-dead-is-dead-keep-on-redeeming-me-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-33539</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was like&#039;87 or &#039;88. I think &#039;88.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was like&#8217;87 or &#8217;88. I think &#8217;88.</p>
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		<title>By: Landry B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Landry B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, at some point (not sure when) wasn&#039;t it said that Danielle&#039;s crew landed in the mid-nineties? Like 1994?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, at some point (not sure when) wasn&#8217;t it said that Danielle&#8217;s crew landed in the mid-nineties? Like 1994?</p>
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		<title>By: Landry B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Landry B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok...so here are my thoughts:

1. Ben comes to the island with Roger after mother Emily&#039;s death. 
2. Ben gets abused by his father for...well for nothing.
3. Ben starts taking sandwiches (minus-mustard) to Sayid. Sayid then escapes with help from the little bugger and then repays the favor by shooting him in chest. 
4. Ben is taken into the temple by Richard. 
5. Ben is visited by Widmore when he awakes. Widmore tells him HE CAN&#039;T STAY THERE NOW, but that he would always be &quot;one&quot; of the others...so he returns to the DI...
6. He grows up...he festers, he stays mad at dear ole dad, until one day (for some reason) he is part of the purge...
7. Afterwards, he joins the others and one day is sent by Widmore to kill a French woman and low and behold, she has a daughter...so he takes Alex...
8. Then, some time later as Alex appears to be 6ish on the swing, he plays a large role in banishing Widmore...a time when they are already living in DI compound (aka, New Otherton)

So that brings clears the whole Widmore-Ben-Purge timeline up right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230;so here are my thoughts:</p>
<p>1. Ben comes to the island with Roger after mother Emily&#8217;s death.<br />
2. Ben gets abused by his father for&#8230;well for nothing.<br />
3. Ben starts taking sandwiches (minus-mustard) to Sayid. Sayid then escapes with help from the little bugger and then repays the favor by shooting him in chest.<br />
4. Ben is taken into the temple by Richard.<br />
5. Ben is visited by Widmore when he awakes. Widmore tells him HE CAN&#8217;T STAY THERE NOW, but that he would always be &#8220;one&#8221; of the others&#8230;so he returns to the DI&#8230;<br />
6. He grows up&#8230;he festers, he stays mad at dear ole dad, until one day (for some reason) he is part of the purge&#8230;<br />
7. Afterwards, he joins the others and one day is sent by Widmore to kill a French woman and low and behold, she has a daughter&#8230;so he takes Alex&#8230;<br />
8. Then, some time later as Alex appears to be 6ish on the swing, he plays a large role in banishing Widmore&#8230;a time when they are already living in DI compound (aka, New Otherton)</p>
<p>So that brings clears the whole Widmore-Ben-Purge timeline up right?</p>
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		<title>By: Landry B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Landry B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is the same reason he is one of, if not the, best characters on the show....loved this episode..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is the same reason he is one of, if not the, best characters on the show&#8230;.loved this episode..</p>
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		<title>By: Jughead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jughead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only mistake Ben made was putting himself before his daughter and that&#039;s the only thing he needs redemption for.  The ep. tells us that he recognizes this which moves him out of the completely evil camp anyway</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only mistake Ben made was putting himself before his daughter and that&#8217;s the only thing he needs redemption for.  The ep. tells us that he recognizes this which moves him out of the completely evil camp anyway</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 04:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethan was born in 1977 and he looks about 10 or 11 when Ben goes to kidnap Alex.  And we think the purge did not happen yet.  So, when did Ethan start living with the Others?  That explains how he survived the Purge but not how Danielle survives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethan was born in 1977 and he looks about 10 or 11 when Ben goes to kidnap Alex.  And we think the purge did not happen yet.  So, when did Ethan start living with the Others?  That explains how he survived the Purge but not how Danielle survives.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dolce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel the same way. Exactly.</description>
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		<title>By: elephant in the room</title>
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		<dc:creator>elephant in the room</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I brought up the O6 not supposed to leave the Island because I was thinking that if they didn&#039;t leave then they would have never appeared in the 70&#039;s w/ the DI. But then I realized that they weren&#039;t supposed to leave because they were always in the DI and just would have been there with Sawyer and the gang 3 years earlier. Sorry for that last lame question there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I brought up the O6 not supposed to leave the Island because I was thinking that if they didn&#8217;t leave then they would have never appeared in the 70&#8242;s w/ the DI. But then I realized that they weren&#8217;t supposed to leave because they were always in the DI and just would have been there with Sawyer and the gang 3 years earlier. Sorry for that last lame question there.</p>
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		<title>By: elephant in the room</title>
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		<dc:creator>elephant in the room</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite part of the episode was just after Ben summoned smokey and he stood outside and told Sun to go inside because whatever was coming out of the jungle he had no control and out comes Locke. It&#039;s killing Ben that he can&#039;t control or manipulate Locke anymore. I think Locke needs Ben though and that is why the island let him break the rules and come back; according to Christian he was never supposed to turn that wheel and leave the island anyway, it was always John&#039;s job. Just as we saw in the scene when Ben shot Caesar, John needs the cold blooded killer that Ben is. And let&#039;s face it, Ben wouldn&#039;t be that cold blooded killer if it wasn&#039;t for Locke&#039;s friends in the D.I. and Ben&#039;s Juliet. Speaking of that, does anyone else think it to be weird that Ben didn&#039;t know that any of Sun&#039;s friends were in the Dharma Initiative. How did he not recognize them? He has to go back to Dharmaville after he heals and how would he not remember any of them. Maybe in the coming episodes he will wake up with memories of Sawyer, Jack, Kate and the gang just as Des woke up with new memories. So I understand that whatever happened, happened but if that is so, how come the O6 were never supposed to leave the island? Did Christian ever say they weren&#039;t supposed to leave, or was that just a good ol&#039; Ben manipulation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite part of the episode was just after Ben summoned smokey and he stood outside and told Sun to go inside because whatever was coming out of the jungle he had no control and out comes Locke. It&#8217;s killing Ben that he can&#8217;t control or manipulate Locke anymore. I think Locke needs Ben though and that is why the island let him break the rules and come back; according to Christian he was never supposed to turn that wheel and leave the island anyway, it was always John&#8217;s job. Just as we saw in the scene when Ben shot Caesar, John needs the cold blooded killer that Ben is. And let&#8217;s face it, Ben wouldn&#8217;t be that cold blooded killer if it wasn&#8217;t for Locke&#8217;s friends in the D.I. and Ben&#8217;s Juliet. Speaking of that, does anyone else think it to be weird that Ben didn&#8217;t know that any of Sun&#8217;s friends were in the Dharma Initiative. How did he not recognize them? He has to go back to Dharmaville after he heals and how would he not remember any of them. Maybe in the coming episodes he will wake up with memories of Sawyer, Jack, Kate and the gang just as Des woke up with new memories. So I understand that whatever happened, happened but if that is so, how come the O6 were never supposed to leave the island? Did Christian ever say they weren&#8217;t supposed to leave, or was that just a good ol&#8217; Ben manipulation?</p>
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		<title>By: Jangras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jangras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My theory: Ilana is superhot.</description>
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		<title>By: hyperRevue</title>
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		<dc:creator>hyperRevue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that better. 

Hawking seems too important, too central a figure with the Others, for Ben not to know her and her role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that better. </p>
<p>Hawking seems too important, too central a figure with the Others, for Ben not to know her and her role.</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by the way i think you&#039;re off target on the soft spot.  The soft spot is not for the children, but for mothers.  Danielle was gonna die until ben saw she was a mother.  Penny was gona die until ben saw she was a mother.  This makes much more sense as far as his over all storyline goes and his mother dying at birth ie growing up without a mother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by the way i think you&#8217;re off target on the soft spot.  The soft spot is not for the children, but for mothers.  Danielle was gonna die until ben saw she was a mother.  Penny was gona die until ben saw she was a mother.  This makes much more sense as far as his over all storyline goes and his mother dying at birth ie growing up without a mother.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben claims to go whats best for the Island, obviously there is truth to it since Smokey did not kill him, hence his motives are not selfish hence someone/thing is pulling his strings (perhaps the isalnd itself).  Neither of us can truly comment on whether Jacob is pulling his strings, but you cannot say he ISN&#039;T, there&#039;s just no proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben claims to go whats best for the Island, obviously there is truth to it since Smokey did not kill him, hence his motives are not selfish hence someone/thing is pulling his strings (perhaps the isalnd itself).  Neither of us can truly comment on whether Jacob is pulling his strings, but you cannot say he ISN&#8217;T, there&#8217;s just no proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then you are only talking about committing homicide, which almost every main character in LOST has done.  So why pick on Ben?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then you are only talking about committing homicide, which almost every main character in LOST has done.  So why pick on Ben?</p>
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		<title>By: icyone</title>
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		<dc:creator>icyone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is irrelevant, Ben may or may not have made the order but is still responsible for his part in the &quot;genocide&quot; same as all the Others who took part.

There&#039;s a difference between &quot;responsible for ordering it&quot; (not being discussed here) and &quot;responsible for performing it&quot; (which is being discussed here).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is irrelevant, Ben may or may not have made the order but is still responsible for his part in the &#8220;genocide&#8221; same as all the Others who took part.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a difference between &#8220;responsible for ordering it&#8221; (not being discussed here) and &#8220;responsible for performing it&#8221; (which is being discussed here).</p>
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		<title>By: icyone</title>
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		<dc:creator>icyone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc didn&#039;t say Ben ordered the Purge. But Ben certainly took an active role in it. Also Jacob is not pulling Ben&#039;s strings the way that the Dark Side corrupted Anakin and the Emperor took advantage. If necessary, look up the phrase &quot;pulling someone&#039;s strings&quot; and you&#039;ll see the difference.

Ben willingly does all of these things and did not have to be manipulated to do so, not even by Jacob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc didn&#8217;t say Ben ordered the Purge. But Ben certainly took an active role in it. Also Jacob is not pulling Ben&#8217;s strings the way that the Dark Side corrupted Anakin and the Emperor took advantage. If necessary, look up the phrase &#8220;pulling someone&#8217;s strings&#8221; and you&#8217;ll see the difference.</p>
<p>Ben willingly does all of these things and did not have to be manipulated to do so, not even by Jacob.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, but &quot;taking part&quot; is not the same as being the Leader responsible for ordering the Purge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, but &#8220;taking part&#8221; is not the same as being the Leader responsible for ordering the Purge.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, interesting, but a few mistakes.  We do not know who truly ordered the Purge, it could have been Widmore for all we know (and most likely was since Ben/Widmore were in Dharmaville AFTER the Purge).

Also, you say that Ben has no one above him pulling strings...um, Jacob?  &quot;Everyone answers to someone, John&quot; (see the Man Behind the Curtain).  We know Jacob is real, we know his word usurps ALL authority, and we know Ben tried to appease Jacob by turning the Donkey Wheel (&quot;I hope your happy now Jacob&quot;).  So how could you say Ben doesn&#039;t have an some other force at least attempting to pull his strings?  After all, everything he has done he did for the Island, otherwise Smokey would have Mr. Eko-ed his butt.  He DOES have the plot &quot;conveniences&quot; for redemption, and I hope he finds it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, interesting, but a few mistakes.  We do not know who truly ordered the Purge, it could have been Widmore for all we know (and most likely was since Ben/Widmore were in Dharmaville AFTER the Purge).</p>
<p>Also, you say that Ben has no one above him pulling strings&#8230;um, Jacob?  &#8220;Everyone answers to someone, John&#8221; (see the Man Behind the Curtain).  We know Jacob is real, we know his word usurps ALL authority, and we know Ben tried to appease Jacob by turning the Donkey Wheel (&#8220;I hope your happy now Jacob&#8221;).  So how could you say Ben doesn&#8217;t have an some other force at least attempting to pull his strings?  After all, everything he has done he did for the Island, otherwise Smokey would have Mr. Eko-ed his butt.  He DOES have the plot &#8220;conveniences&#8221; for redemption, and I hope he finds it.</p>
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		<title>By: icyone</title>
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		<dc:creator>icyone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben was definitely complicit. He knew when it was going to take place, he knew how it was going to happen, he personally killed his father, and then he returned to the village to meet Richard and the others.

He may not have ordered it, but he certainly took part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben was definitely complicit. He knew when it was going to take place, he knew how it was going to happen, he personally killed his father, and then he returned to the village to meet Richard and the others.</p>
<p>He may not have ordered it, but he certainly took part.</p>
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