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	<title>Comments on: JJ Abrams Takes Over WIRED, Disses Spoilers</title>
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		<title>By: dp2</title>
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		<dc:creator>dp2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By &quot;the ending doesn&#039;t matter&quot;, I did not mean to imply that you can tack a terrible ending onto an otherwise good story.  I meant that *knowing* the ending doesn&#039;t matter.  A stupid or obvious outcome can ruin an otherwise well-told story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#8220;the ending doesn&#8217;t matter&#8221;, I did not mean to imply that you can tack a terrible ending onto an otherwise good story.  I meant that *knowing* the ending doesn&#8217;t matter.  A stupid or obvious outcome can ruin an otherwise well-told story.</p>
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		<title>By: dp2</title>
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		<dc:creator>dp2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.  Yes, I should have said &quot;the twist doesn&#039;t matter&quot;.  But you&#039;ve explained my point well.

To Cutter XXIII: why would I stop watching now if the story is still good?  That would be completely contrary to my point.

Incidentally, I didn&#039;t know the twist in Walkabout, but I did see it coming, and it didn&#039;t ruin a thing.  The reason I saw it coming is because it was so well foreshadowed, in camera shots and clever dialog overlaying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.  Yes, I should have said &#8220;the twist doesn&#8217;t matter&#8221;.  But you&#8217;ve explained my point well.</p>
<p>To Cutter XXIII: why would I stop watching now if the story is still good?  That would be completely contrary to my point.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I didn&#8217;t know the twist in Walkabout, but I did see it coming, and it didn&#8217;t ruin a thing.  The reason I saw it coming is because it was so well foreshadowed, in camera shots and clever dialog overlaying.</p>
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		<title>By: Cecil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cecil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a twist can&#039;t make a bad story good&quot;

True, but it CAN make a good story into a legendary one.  If you live in a cave and have never seen the Star Wars saga, stop reading now.

We all (I hope) agree that the first Star Wars and first 7/8 of Empire were TREMENDOUS film achievements on their own.  It was already a great story.  A modern day epic.  But the twist at the end of Empire made the story from a great one into something that is still one of the greatest moments of film TO THIS DAY.  Now, imagine seeing Hope or Empire for the first time and having the end of Empire spoiled for you in advance.  I think it GREATLY diminishes the viewing experience leading up to that scene.  Some may say it adds depth and emotion as well as context to a conflict that otherwise was just political (more or less), but I disagree.

And to the person who said &quot;If the story is good, the ending doesn’t matter.&quot;  Well, that just doesn&#039;t really make any sense.  When someone says &quot;story&quot; I interpret that to mean the COMPLETE work of prose: exposition, climax, resolution, etc.  So, if the story is good, the ending needs to be a part of it.  Lets go back to Star Wars because I&#039;m a geek.  If as Hurley suggested, Darth and Luke hug it out at the end of Empire and become buddies, that destroys the entire movie.  Why?  Because everything that comes before the end is leading up to the conclusion.  If you have (since this is a show) over 100 hours leading like a freight train towards a conclusion (and on this show, we know by now that everything that happens is leading to something), you can&#039;t lay an egg in the finale.  Go ask a Sopranos fan about an ending.  Or like me, a Deadwood fan.  Do I still enjoy Deadwood on every rewatch, yeah.  But the lack of a concrete ending and much of the character resolution definitely affects how I feel about the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a twist can&#8217;t make a bad story good&#8221;</p>
<p>True, but it CAN make a good story into a legendary one.  If you live in a cave and have never seen the Star Wars saga, stop reading now.</p>
<p>We all (I hope) agree that the first Star Wars and first 7/8 of Empire were TREMENDOUS film achievements on their own.  It was already a great story.  A modern day epic.  But the twist at the end of Empire made the story from a great one into something that is still one of the greatest moments of film TO THIS DAY.  Now, imagine seeing Hope or Empire for the first time and having the end of Empire spoiled for you in advance.  I think it GREATLY diminishes the viewing experience leading up to that scene.  Some may say it adds depth and emotion as well as context to a conflict that otherwise was just political (more or less), but I disagree.</p>
<p>And to the person who said &#8220;If the story is good, the ending doesn’t matter.&#8221;  Well, that just doesn&#8217;t really make any sense.  When someone says &#8220;story&#8221; I interpret that to mean the COMPLETE work of prose: exposition, climax, resolution, etc.  So, if the story is good, the ending needs to be a part of it.  Lets go back to Star Wars because I&#8217;m a geek.  If as Hurley suggested, Darth and Luke hug it out at the end of Empire and become buddies, that destroys the entire movie.  Why?  Because everything that comes before the end is leading up to the conclusion.  If you have (since this is a show) over 100 hours leading like a freight train towards a conclusion (and on this show, we know by now that everything that happens is leading to something), you can&#8217;t lay an egg in the finale.  Go ask a Sopranos fan about an ending.  Or like me, a Deadwood fan.  Do I still enjoy Deadwood on every rewatch, yeah.  But the lack of a concrete ending and much of the character resolution definitely affects how I feel about the show.</p>
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		<title>By: icyone</title>
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		<dc:creator>icyone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s incredibly kind of you. You&#039;ve totally ruined my day, now that I know I&#039;ll never be as big of a fan of Lost as Gjay. I mean, what will I do with the rest of my life? I&#039;ll probably have to kill myself because I can never be as great as you.

Judge not, lest ye be judged, Sparky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s incredibly kind of you. You&#8217;ve totally ruined my day, now that I know I&#8217;ll never be as big of a fan of Lost as Gjay. I mean, what will I do with the rest of my life? I&#8217;ll probably have to kill myself because I can never be as great as you.</p>
<p>Judge not, lest ye be judged, Sparky.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Daniels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mate, you hit that nail on the head so hard right then, it went straight through the piece of 2 by 4 and lodged into the top of my foot. Season 5 is going to finish in less than a month, and it&#039;s highly likely that season 6 will not screen until probably, as history has dictated, the end of January/ beginning of February next year. So that means the show will be off the air for nearly nine months. Nine muthaf*@~#$g months!! As far as I&#039;m aware, and anybody, please feel free to correct me if I&#039;m wrong, shooting for season 6 will begin some time in August of this year, leaving roughly five to six months before the first episode that is filmed will premiere. 

Now, i&#039;ve never claimed to be the smartest apple to fall from the tree, but doesn&#039;t that give potential spolier merchants more than enough time to &quot;irreparably damage&quot;, as J.J Abrams put it, the intended story. I find myself being stuck between a rock and a hard place, greatly admiring J.J and Damon Lindelof&#039;s work and styles of storytelling (i&#039;ve never been a huge Star Trek fan, but can&#039;t wait to watch the new movie). I do, however, strongly oppose their stance on spoilers, especially considering they seem more than happy to make long term, and short term fans wait three months shy of a year, to see the end of one of their most famous creations. 

Fans complained that the hiatus between the first and second havles of season 3 was too long, but how is that any worse than the waits we had to endure between 3 &amp; 4, 4 &amp; 5, and soon, 5 &amp; 6. I&#039;m really hoping that they decide to amend the length of the final season of Lost, throw a few extra episodes in there and stretch it out so that they can resolve every unresolved element of the story. They should also screen the first six or seven episodes no later than October and not make fans wait so damn long to see them. I mean, I get the concept of the shorter season... It gives the makers of the show more time to fashion it&#039;s look, ABC the chance to make more money and get more ratings, but ultimately, it&#039;s the fans that suffer. Is it any wonder that people scour the internet for spoliers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mate, you hit that nail on the head so hard right then, it went straight through the piece of 2 by 4 and lodged into the top of my foot. Season 5 is going to finish in less than a month, and it&#8217;s highly likely that season 6 will not screen until probably, as history has dictated, the end of January/ beginning of February next year. So that means the show will be off the air for nearly nine months. Nine muthaf*@~#$g months!! As far as I&#8217;m aware, and anybody, please feel free to correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, shooting for season 6 will begin some time in August of this year, leaving roughly five to six months before the first episode that is filmed will premiere. </p>
<p>Now, i&#8217;ve never claimed to be the smartest apple to fall from the tree, but doesn&#8217;t that give potential spolier merchants more than enough time to &#8220;irreparably damage&#8221;, as J.J Abrams put it, the intended story. I find myself being stuck between a rock and a hard place, greatly admiring J.J and Damon Lindelof&#8217;s work and styles of storytelling (i&#8217;ve never been a huge Star Trek fan, but can&#8217;t wait to watch the new movie). I do, however, strongly oppose their stance on spoilers, especially considering they seem more than happy to make long term, and short term fans wait three months shy of a year, to see the end of one of their most famous creations. </p>
<p>Fans complained that the hiatus between the first and second havles of season 3 was too long, but how is that any worse than the waits we had to endure between 3 &amp; 4, 4 &amp; 5, and soon, 5 &amp; 6. I&#8217;m really hoping that they decide to amend the length of the final season of Lost, throw a few extra episodes in there and stretch it out so that they can resolve every unresolved element of the story. They should also screen the first six or seven episodes no later than October and not make fans wait so damn long to see them. I mean, I get the concept of the shorter season&#8230; It gives the makers of the show more time to fashion it&#8217;s look, ABC the chance to make more money and get more ratings, but ultimately, it&#8217;s the fans that suffer. Is it any wonder that people scour the internet for spoliers?</p>
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		<title>By: RodimusBen</title>
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		<dc:creator>RodimusBen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoilers are a phenomenon that really exploded with the Internet. Before the Internet became widespread in the mid-90s, a spoiler basically amounted to someone seeing a movie before you did, coming home and blabbing &quot;DARTH VADER IS LUKE&#039;S FATHER&quot; to everyone. Fan magazines would occasionally print snippets of information about an upcoming movie or series in order to entice readers and keep them reading, but those publications had an agreement (whether spoken or unspoken) with entertainment companies not to ruin their product by leaking spoilers. Doing so would make it unlikely that they would ever get another interview.

The problem is that now, through the Internet, that idiot who came home and told you that Darth Vader was Luke&#039;s father before you got a chance to go out and see the flick can now ruin the movie for literally millions of people by posting on a blog, forum or chat room. Word spreads like wildfire on the web and what once was a huge incentive to tune in becomes something that can never live up to your expectations. Worse, these blabbering idiots don&#039;t have that same incentive that the legitimate publications had to keep mum about big secrets. In fact, the opposite is often true now-- spoiler sites generate millions of hits and losers like lostfan108 become celebrities just for leaking elements of a story someone else wrote. The victims of all this are the fans who do not want to be spoiled but happen to scroll down the wrong comments page to find some loser yapping that &quot;LOCKE IS IN THE COFFIN,&quot; and the creators who lose the opportunity to tell the story in the way they intended. 

Publications used to tease little bits of info (vague hints that there would be an upcoming death on a show were common), set and production photos seemed pretty agreeable, and so forth. When that sort of thing was sanctioned by the companies who provided the creative material, you could crack open a magazine and know that you weren&#039;t going to have anything too earth-shattering spoiled for you. Unfortunately on the Internet, with so many would-be scoop celebs trying to get a piece of the pie, there&#039;s no way to control information like that anymore. 

So it falls to us to us to do our own screening, to decide what level of spoilers we are comfortable with and do our best to keep blinders on to everything else. It&#039;s not easy when the end of a season approaches and you know that somewhere, some jackass has intimate details about the frozen donkey wheel posted for all to see. But taking personal responsibility is never easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoilers are a phenomenon that really exploded with the Internet. Before the Internet became widespread in the mid-90s, a spoiler basically amounted to someone seeing a movie before you did, coming home and blabbing &#8220;DARTH VADER IS LUKE&#8217;S FATHER&#8221; to everyone. Fan magazines would occasionally print snippets of information about an upcoming movie or series in order to entice readers and keep them reading, but those publications had an agreement (whether spoken or unspoken) with entertainment companies not to ruin their product by leaking spoilers. Doing so would make it unlikely that they would ever get another interview.</p>
<p>The problem is that now, through the Internet, that idiot who came home and told you that Darth Vader was Luke&#8217;s father before you got a chance to go out and see the flick can now ruin the movie for literally millions of people by posting on a blog, forum or chat room. Word spreads like wildfire on the web and what once was a huge incentive to tune in becomes something that can never live up to your expectations. Worse, these blabbering idiots don&#8217;t have that same incentive that the legitimate publications had to keep mum about big secrets. In fact, the opposite is often true now&#8211; spoiler sites generate millions of hits and losers like lostfan108 become celebrities just for leaking elements of a story someone else wrote. The victims of all this are the fans who do not want to be spoiled but happen to scroll down the wrong comments page to find some loser yapping that &#8220;LOCKE IS IN THE COFFIN,&#8221; and the creators who lose the opportunity to tell the story in the way they intended. </p>
<p>Publications used to tease little bits of info (vague hints that there would be an upcoming death on a show were common), set and production photos seemed pretty agreeable, and so forth. When that sort of thing was sanctioned by the companies who provided the creative material, you could crack open a magazine and know that you weren&#8217;t going to have anything too earth-shattering spoiled for you. Unfortunately on the Internet, with so many would-be scoop celebs trying to get a piece of the pie, there&#8217;s no way to control information like that anymore. </p>
<p>So it falls to us to us to do our own screening, to decide what level of spoilers we are comfortable with and do our best to keep blinders on to everything else. It&#8217;s not easy when the end of a season approaches and you know that somewhere, some jackass has intimate details about the frozen donkey wheel posted for all to see. But taking personal responsibility is never easy.</p>
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		<title>By: RodimusBen</title>
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		<dc:creator>RodimusBen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He already has a way to mask spoiler images. You have to go halfway and exercise a little self-restraint. It&#039;s not up to the rest of us to hold your hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He already has a way to mask spoiler images. You have to go halfway and exercise a little self-restraint. It&#8217;s not up to the rest of us to hold your hand.</p>
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		<title>By: smiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>smiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any spoiler pales in conparison to the actual experience of the episode that is so precisely written and still inhabits your mind! The Entire Lost Crew are the Best!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any spoiler pales in conparison to the actual experience of the episode that is so precisely written and still inhabits your mind! The Entire Lost Crew are the Best!!!</p>
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		<title>By: smiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>smiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer to call them tidbits! I love how everyone has to analize it... that&#039;s why I thought the writers slip out sneak peeks...to keep us talking about it and waiting for the next... tidbit! You never &#039;really know&#039;? 
And you cannot deny the cultural and artistic world of Lost that has opened doors to so many! Art in many forms: Paintings, Statues, Music, Books,etc.. This show is solid and intense and imaginative and spiritual and just an honest creative sense of being human...
(yes, i long for spoilers...but I must wait like they have to in th UK, so sorry)
Love the show!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer to call them tidbits! I love how everyone has to analize it&#8230; that&#8217;s why I thought the writers slip out sneak peeks&#8230;to keep us talking about it and waiting for the next&#8230; tidbit! You never &#8216;really know&#8217;?<br />
And you cannot deny the cultural and artistic world of Lost that has opened doors to so many! Art in many forms: Paintings, Statues, Music, Books,etc.. This show is solid and intense and imaginative and spiritual and just an honest creative sense of being human&#8230;<br />
(yes, i long for spoilers&#8230;but I must wait like they have to in th UK, so sorry)<br />
Love the show!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, in theory.  But then you don&#039;t ever get to criticize a show for a plot turn that you saw coming, since outcomes don&#039;t matter, right?  I don&#039;t want to hear people like you, or any spoiler-readers for that matter, saying that the writing has faulted in some way because you could see coming an event like, say, Sayid shooting Ben, or Ben strangling Locke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, in theory.  But then you don&#8217;t ever get to criticize a show for a plot turn that you saw coming, since outcomes don&#8217;t matter, right?  I don&#8217;t want to hear people like you, or any spoiler-readers for that matter, saying that the writing has faulted in some way because you could see coming an event like, say, Sayid shooting Ben, or Ben strangling Locke.</p>
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		<title>By: Gjay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I 100 percent agree with JJ. 

People who some how believe they can enjoy Lost being spoiled as much as people are not are insane in the membrane. 

I would go far to say there not &#039;true&#039; fans...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I 100 percent agree with JJ. </p>
<p>People who some how believe they can enjoy Lost being spoiled as much as people are not are insane in the membrane. </p>
<p>I would go far to say there not &#8216;true&#8217; fans&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Benny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is: Do you have any vested emotions when a twist comes on screen? If you&#039;re response is irrelevant from knowing or not the twist, then you just want to know.

But if you respond differently to a twist based on knowledge of it, in that case you may need to rethink your obsession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is: Do you have any vested emotions when a twist comes on screen? If you&#8217;re response is irrelevant from knowing or not the twist, then you just want to know.</p>
<p>But if you respond differently to a twist based on knowledge of it, in that case you may need to rethink your obsession.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dolce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have now posted this 4 times. Even though you have prefaced it with a spoiler warning, it&#039;s starting to look like you are determined and excited to get this info out to everyone, including people who do not want to be spoiled. I am no spoilerphobe, however I&#039;m sure that there are some who would prefer not to see it here. Just a heads up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have now posted this 4 times. Even though you have prefaced it with a spoiler warning, it&#8217;s starting to look like you are determined and excited to get this info out to everyone, including people who do not want to be spoiled. I am no spoilerphobe, however I&#8217;m sure that there are some who would prefer not to see it here. Just a heads up.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dolce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure that you should have posted this here, even with the warning. I&#039;m sure Doc would have gotten around to posting it under the SPOILERS! label if he saw fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure that you should have posted this here, even with the warning. I&#8217;m sure Doc would have gotten around to posting it under the SPOILERS! label if he saw fit.</p>
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		<title>By: deneph</title>
		<link>http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-news/jj-abrams-takes-over-wired-disses-spoilers/comment-page-1/#comment-35262</link>
		<dc:creator>deneph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s right, I do think it&#039;s more enjoyable to watch what&#039;s happening without knowing about it ahead of time.   I understand why people seek it out beforehand and that&#039;s fine too, as long as they don&#039;t try to be crappy and ruin it for those who don&#039;t want to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s right, I do think it&#8217;s more enjoyable to watch what&#8217;s happening without knowing about it ahead of time.   I understand why people seek it out beforehand and that&#8217;s fine too, as long as they don&#8217;t try to be crappy and ruin it for those who don&#8217;t want to know.</p>
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