Comments on: Has Something Changed? (Aired Episode Spoiler Within)

By: DT

DT — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:04:03 +0000

This may be the thing that breaks the truce and eventually leads to the purge. Shooting a child will seem like the last straw for the Dharma folks. They will go on the offensive. Also could ben being shot as a child and living be a sign of the islands favor for him. Could that be one of the reasons he shot Locke. He could have known that if Locke was the really going to be the leader the island would not let him die.

By: BAK2530

BAK2530 — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:35:18 +0000

Ive read in other spoiler posts that something happens to Ben that turns him into the man he is today and I also read that there is conflict between the losties on if they should save Ben so we know he is alive. So why do you act like you figured out something that no one else knew when its already been posted elsewhere

By: dolce

dolce — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:46:43 +0000

There is still no alternate timeline.

By: professorstotch

professorstotch — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:05:56 +0000

Couldn’t have said it better myself…

By: Kümmel

Kümmel — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:15:22 +0000

An alternate timeline doesn’t mean, that all things happen in the opposite. My meaning about what they can do hasn’t changed and it also wouldn’t change, if Ben will be alive next episode.

By: bdjsb7

bdjsb7 — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:13:17 +0000

I agree completely that nothing is going to change, but I also agree with Lebowski here. A post saying “uh oh, guess people are going to be arguing with me!” doesn’t seem to have a place here among actual theories, spoilers, and news.”
I don’t mean to offend, but I feel like this thread is a bit shallow.

By: Lebowski Achiever

Lebowski Achiever — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:06:54 +0000

People can appreciate a well thought out theory. What they have a problem with is how you handle it. We are all here as fans…no need to be a jerk about it. I’ve seen you in the past in attack mode when someone says something you don’t agree with. Again, everyone has an opinion, and if you prove yours intelligently I might even change mine. Being a know-it-all and rude about it makes people want to disregard your thoughts.

This is my opinion at least….I think you have great insight, just need to work on presentation.

By: Wintermute

Wintermute — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:27:30 +0000

Okay, so Einstein never worked on anything called “the laws of time travel.” There are no “laws of time travel” to “resolve.” In fact, Einstein’s relativity has absolutely nothing to do with time travel. He in fact says it is impossible. What relativity says is that we are able to percieve an illusory speeding up or slowing down of time (called time dilation) but this has nothing to do with actually traveling time. It just means that the closer you get to the speed of light, the slower or faster time APPEARS to be moving, depending on which way you are looking, behind you or in front of you. You see, it’s all relative, which is why they call it “Relativity” and not “the laws of time travel.”

By: imfromthepast

imfromthepast — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:16:38 +0000

what’s mean?
I am giving people who, until now have been grasping at straws and have been reduced to citing production errors to prove their point, an opportunity to go on record as saying I was wrong.

By: Ed Einstein

Ed Einstein — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:57:30 +0000

Yeah…I don’t even understand the debate about this. I did notice that, except for Juliet and Miles, everyone else who wasn’t involved in Ben’s shooting made it onto his future list though.

By: Ed Holden

Ed Holden — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:43:34 +0000

Agreed. While it’s faintly possible that Darlton carved NO FATE into a picnic table just before they approved this script, I suspect we’re still in Whatever Happened, Happened mode. This is probably the origin of the Ben we’ve come to know. Which would make his relationship with Sayid from 2005-2007 all the more interesting.

By: Ed Einstein

Ed Einstein — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:34:20 +0000

I agree with you entirely horselover. I think most people are concerned with how these interactions in the past have shaped the future or should I say what consequences our buddies decisions in the past have on future events like the purge, the incident and flight 815. I still think there is some kind of weird mucky-muck stuff going on with Desmond, Miles and possibly Hurley.

As a sidenote I was a little disappointed that Sawyer’s plan didn’t work out and that Sayid didn’t understand he couldn’t kill Ben.

By: imfromthepast

imfromthepast — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:28:56 +0000

maybe, although that didn’t stop them when Locke told Richard to look him up on his birth, or when Jin met Danielle.

Who knows why people do or don’t do what they do or don’t do?

By: professorstotch

professorstotch — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:18:31 +0000

Hm…I feel like this is kind of…mean. To say the least.

By: horselover

horselover — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:41:58 +0000

I think I just figured out why you’re not getting as many bites as you’d like.
More people than you think are on the whole “whatever happened” bandwagon, the only reason people kept yelling “alternate timeline” is because things seems different in present time (or future or whatever. 2007). Lost fans are used to finding out that the past is different than they expected, so they don’t jump to many conclusions just from a past event. Even a major one.

By: horselover

horselover — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:24:10 +0000

It was on the Lost Untangled. Most spoilerish frame ever.

By: horselover

horselover — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 05:36:29 +0000

I argued on occasion that hearing the numbers while 316 went down meant alternate timeline. So I’ll go with my first instinct from when the episode ended: I TOLD YOU SO!
But really, you and your brethren did a good job talking me out of the alternate timeline theory over the last week.

By: rob

rob — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 04:52:58 +0000

man, i gotta go back and watch the episode when sayid is locked in the armory with ben season 2. wonder if anything there is relevant to where this season is going. ill buy the juliet attraction thing, that makes sense. any other sayid/ben conversations we should be looking at from seasons past?

By: 5ws1h

5ws1h — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 04:17:15 +0000

Ok to play alternate timeline’s advocate…
NEW TIMLINE: Little Ben is shot but is saved by Jin (finds) then Kate (begs) and Finally Jack (doctor stuff).
OLD TIMELINE: Little Ben runs away from mean dad, (no Sayid) is found by Richard (no Jin) becomes a hostile (no Kate or Jack), purge is only 30 years away (Ben looks really old then)!
So it all comes down to….
What Happened, Happened!
Ok, for alternate time liners everywhere, what’s your reply?

By: dolce

dolce — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 04:16:07 +0000

where the hell did you get that so quick?

By: dolce

dolce — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 04:13:36 +0000

Right!?

By: Heidi

Heidi — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 04:04:45 +0000

If Einstein had resolved the laws of time travel then we would be able to mathmatically figure this out but it has become pretty clear that we don’t really understand the potential alternate time line stuff. If Young Ben was dead, would 2008 Ben just “poof” disappear? I don’t think we can say. At first I thought he would be dead and then Sun and John would have to do something to “fix it”. I thought we would see “its a wonderful LOST life” about what the world would be like without Ben Linus, and I am not sure we still won’t. Maybe the only way we will ever find out who is good and who is evil will be to see what Life would have been like without them.

By: Heidi

Heidi — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:59:12 +0000

I think Jin will wake up and put Ben in the VW bus, drive back to Dharma-ville and he will live. BUT, Dharma will continue to be stupid and believe that Sayid was an Other and that means the Others shot Ben and attacked Jin and they will want retribution so that will escalate the tension between the two sides. I think Sayid will find Richard and tell him what has happened. Maybe Richard will actually have a plan of action that won’t backfire like Sawyer’s did.

By: imfromthepast

imfromthepast — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:37:03 +0000

while I appreciate the sentiment, I know Ben is not dead. I am baiting those who think he is into posting something to that effect so they’ll look silly next week.

But shhhh, don’t tell them.

By: Michel

Michel — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:09:45 +0000

BIG SPOILERS AHEAD:

No spoilers mike! Read the rules!