Comments on: Food for Thought: The 70 hour Window

By: BlueSky

BlueSky — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:54:17 +0000

Hmm, so when is Easter this year? And is that when Locke will resurrect on the island?

By: MissMichelle

MissMichelle — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:33:46 +0000

I think that the 70 hour window (roughly three days) has something to do with the resurrection of Jesus (which took three days). Perhaps if Locke’s body is not returned to the island within a 70 hour framework, he cannot be resurrected??? Does anyone know how many days have passed since Locke died until now?
Anyways, certainly a theme the writers are playing with…last episode Locke entered an underworld of sorts through the well, and is guided on his journey by Christian….I’m also gonna bet that sometime in the next few episodes, we will see a stone being rolled back from a cave/cavern/tomblike structure. Although….the turning of the frozen donkey wheel already provides a similar imagery….just random thoughts.

By: Jennifer

Jennifer — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:59:25 +0000

If Jin didn’t always prevent Danielle from going into the ruins, who did? Or do you propose that she DID go into the ruins and just happened to be immune to the “sickness” that afflicted the rest of her team?

By: Dorkusbob

Dorkusbob — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:31:39 +0000

Have not had time to check, but I’ll take your word for it. But the rest makes sense, right?

By: Dolce

Dolce — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:58:15 +0000

Yes, clockwise. Watch again.

By: theDAWG

theDAWG — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:43:03 +0000

iirc, the witch is only going to find the island’s location right now.

that might only require a few of the O6, esp. since they brought the “rulebreaker” Des with them.

all 6 (plus possibly Jin’s daughter) are still gonna have to go back after they locate it…

By: FutureLies

FutureLies — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:59:35 +0000

Locke pulled it clock-wise.

By: sebastian81

sebastian81 — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:28:20 +0000

Zombie, I don’t agree with you in this. For Jin to get to the island and travel back in time, there had to be an original timeline in which Danielle didn’t receive visits from people who hadn’t crashed in the island yet.

If what you propose is true, then time is not linear which wouldn’t make any sense.

By: Dorkusbob

Dorkusbob — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:57:49 +0000

Here’s something though:

Ben went to push the wheel, had to wear a coat… Frozen Donkey Wheel area

Locke goes down the hole, no coat, no frost breath… Broken Donkey Wheel area

Ben pushes CLOCK-WISE
Locke pushes COUNTER – CLOCK – WISE

Never mind that Ben pushes in 2005, and Locke most likely in the PAST, so in order for Ben to have a frozen wheel, Locke must push it first. So the next question is, who pushed it again? That leaves us with Dharma Polar bears. So which way did they push it?

By: hyperRevue

hyperRevue — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:51:47 +0000

True. There just seemed to be a lot more urgency last time.

By: CelticFan96

CelticFan96 — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:25:05 +0000

OK, Cool. That makes sense.

By: RandomZombie

RandomZombie — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:07:34 +0000

It’s not so ridiculous if you think of the wheel as a switch. The bouncing and rotating wheel could randomly activate the mechanism behind the wall, causing the time jumps. Of course, if this were true the jumps would stop after Locke turns the wheel.

By: RandomZombie

RandomZombie — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:01:46 +0000

I don’t believe that it’s a second loop. Jin ALWAYS prevented Danielle from going into the ruins. There was never an occasion when she went in because it only happened once.
Also, Desmond suddenly remembered his conversation with Daniel because Daniel changed the past, which was possible because, for some reason, the rules of time travel do not apply to Desmond. It seemed that Charlotte suddenly remembered Daniel because she was flashing between the present (so to speak) and her childhood, and probably re-experienced him telling her not to come back to the island.

By: rivum

rivum — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:54:30 +0000

hey!! keep the spoilers outta here!!

By: Yonko

Yonko — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:46:33 +0000

And I bet that time would be the explanation of why we saw our Losties in Dharma jumpsuits in some set photos…

By: ErasedSlate

ErasedSlate — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:23:57 +0000

Mrs. Hawking also said, “…for now” as if it’ll do, but there is more work to do.

By: CelticFan96

CelticFan96 — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:20:28 +0000

That’s cool.

I was thinking they were on the at least the 2nd loop (if that is what it should be called?):

Daniel had told Charlotte not to come to the island their first time through time and Jin stopping Rousseau from following her fellow Frenchmen into the hole. So that would mean that Rousseau got to meet Sayid because Jin kept her from getting sick; and Charlotte remembers the scary Daniel because he will soon see her and give her that memory.

But I like the idea of Charlotte just getting that memory flash of Daniel like Desmond did..

But what about Rousseau? It sure seemed like Jin is what prevented Rousseau from getting the “sickness.”

By: CelticFan96

CelticFan96 — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:12:14 +0000

If Locke had turned the wheel instead of Ben, Jack and Co. probably would have made it back to the island. They were heading there (and within sight of it) when it disappeared.

Had Locke gone down there, it would have taken him more time to get acclimated (maybe talk with Christian about what he is to do?). It would only need to take him another two minutes to give Frank time to land the chopper.

By: iamme

iamme — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:13:24 +0000

I guess you can say that, but you can also say that events would have played out differently if Locke was aware that he was the one who had to turn the wheel himself.

He was going along with what Ben said about Jacob meaning that he had to turn it not Locke. And who really knows what Ben was up to. In light of last night I believe that Ben wanted to turn the wheel for a reason. He could have known that since Jack left he had a way to get back and the exile would not be permanent for him.

Of course I’m just guessing. But the island was skipping around so much, and our friends are starting to bleed out. I don’t think they could take much more of it, which is why I think the flashes are going to stop with Locke’s departure, but they are going to be stuck in the 80′s or something.

By: Zonker

Zonker — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:54:33 +0000

Hmmm. Why would you say that? If Locke had turned the wheel instead of Ben, would not Jack have still been on the helicopter and then picked up by Penny’s boat?

It seems like the critical mistake (if we are to believe the bad things are truly “Because You Left”) was Richard Alpert making the deal with Sayid and Kate that in return for their help with Keamy, the 815ers would be able to leave the island via the helicopter. A deal that Ben subsequently honored: “Have a nice flight.”

By: hyperRevue

hyperRevue — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:48:20 +0000

One thing that did bother me about this episode was how after Ben only brought 2 of the O6 back, Hawking was like, “well, I guess that’ll have to do.” But the first time we saw her, after Ben said, “What if I can’t get them all back?” Hawking was all “Then god help us all.”

So, which is it?

Also, how Charlotte suddenly remembered Daniel talking to her in the past reminded me a lot of how Desmond suddenly remember talking with Daniel. I don’t think it means anything (since Daniel was there when Charlotte remembered the encounter, and not flashing through time – as far as we know).

By: iamme

iamme — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:40:14 +0000

Locke had to go back because he had to get the O6 to return. If he had done what Jacob had said in the first place, which was move it himself, he would have been the only one who left the island, and Jack & Co. would still be on the island, and I’m assuming that he would have done it correctly and there would be no flashes. The island would have been moved and safe from Widmore once again as well.

By: hyperRevue

hyperRevue — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:40:00 +0000

They need a Frozen Donkey Crescent Wrench.

By: spinflip

spinflip — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:29:30 +0000

No, I think the wheel bouncing around and the island flashing around are both results of something else fluctuating behind the wall. Otherwise, why would anyone have to go back when tightening the wheel should suffice?

By: iamme

iamme — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:00:16 +0000

yeah, pretty lame, and other than the O6 story dragging along, the rest of this season has been pretty amazing, so I can definitely forgive them this.