Comments on: Locke Lives. Long Live Locke.

By: thorsten

thorsten — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 06:17:10 +0000

If the crash happens again in Timeline B Jugheads core killed our timetravellers, but failed to release the pocket of energy… There must be more to Jacobs touch than the retaining of memory from one universe to the next. Why should he visit some folks as kids, some as grownups, in various stages of the story?

There are tiny pieces missing, like where did he hatch go after the turning of the failsafe key, into another universe? Or did the hatch stay where it was, and LOST moved between universes at the end of season 2 for the first time? What was wrong with Faradays rocket, where did the time.discrepancy come from? Where the freighter satphones quantum-entangled to each other, is that the reason for that the gizmos could only talk to each other, as Lapidus pointed out?

By: Cutter XXIII

Cutter XXIII — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:15:28 +0000

Just finished the Season 1 finale last night (I guess we’re ahead on the rewatch), and it sure seems like the moment they opened up the Swan was when everything went wrong. Both Walt and Hurley urge Locke not to open it.

That, and the bit where they’re wrapping TNT, Locke “zings” Jack with the Operation! noise, and Jack asks disgustedly, “You like playing games, Locke?”

“Oh yeah…” Locke smiles. Unfortunately, his whole story is an elaborate game of Mousetrap, and he’s the mouse.

Something about the aforementioned details makes me think S6 might start over with the 815 crash, and those who were touched by Jacob retained some memories. The whole idea is that this time they won’t get duped (by the MiB) into opening the hatch. They can focus on bigger issues.

Either that…or they all wake up in the Swan crater, and Whatever Happened, Happened.

By: Mack

Mack — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:13:14 +0000

you need to go back under the rock you crawled out from. Just kidding.

By: thorsten

thorsten — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:01:45 +0000

That was cleared, ‘Abandoned’ Season 2 episode 6…

By: Ament

Ament — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:36:07 +0000

*correction* Was wrong about the specific part She did mention flight and 815, but all else applies.

By: Ament

Ament — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:26:28 +0000

Open Minded Theory

The polar bear in tunisia desert suggests the bear left the island the same way Ben and Locke showed us perhaps as a test subject for the Orchard and thats why DI made that elaborate machine to get food, so they learn to push the wheel. The fact that the bear ended up in the distant past suggests animals also time traveled.

When Claire wrote the note and placed it on the bird, it was not specific regarding time and technology stand point so if at any TIME someone received that message it could still be taken as a call for help. What IF the bird didn’t leave the island at the time we thought and actually left during one of the time shifts (specifaclly when the statue was first shown to us) and ended up being the reason why the Black Rock came to the island…way out there but it would be insane in the WHH circle.

By: Ament

Ament — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:00:54 +0000

I think the flashbacks was the writers showing the connection to them crashing on the island and the idea of fate or faith made this happen, they were all destined to be part of each other’s lives in some way.

BTW was it cleared that the man in the SUV Sarah crashed into was Shannon’s dad, or assumed?

By: Ament

Ament — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:00:22 +0000

There is no one thing that really change events but the term used frequently is “course correction” and “destiny” so WHH. There has not been one break in the circle just yet, but we all know in order to end the show their has to be ONE variable which is exactly what Jacob told MiB “It only ends once”. Is Claire’s bird the variable is that a hint from comic-con, is that who’s coming?

By: Mack

Mack — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:10:53 +0000

I was joking too.

By: thorsten

thorsten — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:36:33 +0000

I was joking. The panel was great, and even without screening it’s tough to come up with a good question at exciting moments like that.
The Dharma Food Drop is as important as where the hatch went after
Desmond turned the key.

And I expect that season six will be like all the others…
full of awesome surprises.

By: Mack

Mack — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:03:12 +0000

So your saying you weren’t satisfied with the questions: will Faraday have children and is the man in black named Esau? I thought asking about the pallet drop was a very insightful question. I am sure glad someone asked about that. What really make me sad was that no one asked about Libby for the hundredth time. Can you sense the sarcasm? Some of the questions were ridiculous. I am sure they screened the questions but come on, they could have come up with something beter.

By: hiroki

hiroki — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:30:01 +0000

Yes. I think so too. Eloise Hawking (and Charles Widmore) really wished to bring his son back from its destiny. She knew Daniel will be killed by own hand before he was born. I think that Eloise madly wished and planned how to change the destiny to NOT killing Daniel when he was born. Maybe She did consult with Richard Alpart and Jacob regarding how to bring her son back from killing him by own hand. When Daniel was born, Eloise knew everything happened until how Daniel came to the island at 1977 thru his journal.

By: stweedle

stweedle — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:01:54 +0000

Oh man not another “We have to go back!”

By: thorsten

thorsten — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:30:30 +0000

A good panel question that was not asked is:

“Did we see more than one Timeline already beween ‘Pilot, Part 1′ and ‘The Incident Part 2′ ?”

By: thorsten

thorsten — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:42:05 +0000

Good points, baraco.
I still don’t want to start to guess about how the timelines will be fused into one, because Damon is exposed to JJs quantum mechanical Trek view, and then again the Fringe season finale opened another box of Schroedingers cats.
Regarding Eloise Hawking and her knowledge of future events I always expected her sons journal to be the source for that…

By: Dan

Dan — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:45:33 +0000

Other people that were excluded include keami, the captain of the freighter, horace, christian shepherd, etc…

By: Ament

Ament — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 04:45:20 +0000

There is only one timeline and can only be one. I understand all aspects of a second but it can’t happen, even though they are in 77′ that is THEIR future, what ever age they were in 2004 they are 3 years older in 77′. The Desmond episode with mental time travel is the only way to link their memories. I believe RA was right and said to Sun they all died…in 77′. When Desmond woke covered in paint he remembered the island, vaguely, but he remembered. Tieing S1 to S6 is them waking up in the jungle after 815 crash with vague memories of the events in 77′ and anything previous. It would eliminate Sayid from being shot so he doesn’t have to be killed off. Sun would know where the alive Jacob is to continue that story line and it would continue the idea of WHH without people getting killed off at least not right away.

By: marcio brk

marcio brk — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 04:17:15 +0000

Yeah, definitely two timelines that at some point join together. Faraday says that time is like a thread, but that you can never create a new thread, right? But what if you could have this thread composed of many different “fibers” that given certain circumstances could differ substantially, but still tending to lead to a “same” future, and thus, keep time as a single thread. With the correct wording, this could be lead into a “shrodinger’s timeline”, where both timelines actually exist together in “different intensities of probability”. This tendency then would be the infamous “course correction”. I am buying into the possibility of certain bizarre physical experiments (like blowing an a-bomb besides a Casimir effect) could lead to certain entities experimenting more than one of those sub-threads at the same time, that is, some people being brought back in time and re-living their lives with the previous memories. The problem would be the lack of ageing, which we could also deus-ex-machina out saying for example that “course correcting” puts you into the extremely low probability that your cells simply randomly resolved not to die all at once, which would explain the eyeliner guy. This reasoning also explain Miss Hawkins saying that she doesn’t know what’s going to happen “for the first time in a long time” or something like that: she would be at the end of living a big period of her life for the second time. This could also lead to Jacob and Man-in-Black not being aliens, but merely two people that had been trapped into this time-loop thing for a long time. (Please no aliens! Please no alien! Please no aliens!) But to tell the truth, as things stand, we can’t really know, can we? PS didn’t see that Cannes thing, will check, thanks.

By: preztige2k6

preztige2k6 — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:10:42 +0000

I’m telling you, three are three different John Lockes. I am sure of it. Seperate timelines that intertwine in a manner that is unimaginable

By: DustinCahill

DustinCahill — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:07:49 +0000

I’m still pulling that the Man in Black somehow has always been Locke, and that it has to do with Locke turning the wheel while the statue was still standing (though the possible range of when that was is definetly ambigously expansive).

The question would then becomes how would Locke be able to change bodies into MIB, as well as presuambly others as he impacts various events across time on the Island before traveling to 2007 Off-Island (after Jacob’s killing and events in the finale season), and then recruits Widmore to find him in the desert, eventually being killed by Ben?

Just kidding.

By: Hexonxonx

Hexonxonx — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:12:55 +0000

You know what else would confuse and surprise us? If Jughead went off and all of the characters were dead.

By: Iwantmykidneyback

Iwantmykidneyback — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:22:14 +0000

that would be awesome if the connectedness ended up playing an important role.

By: Iwantmykidneyback

Iwantmykidneyback — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:20:15 +0000

wow I also kicked around the idea of the locke/jack role reversal. I just hope if this happens that Locke will end up being his old beastly self. but I think they are the 2 characters this season and the show itself have to be built on.

By: neoloki aka Ben'sbleedingkidney

neoloki aka Ben'sbleedingkidney — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:36:46 +0000

This is an idea with many authors that has been explored on numerous Lost blogs and will be a prominent part of our discourse over the next 5 months.

By: l-i-v-n

l-i-v-n — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:48:52 +0000

has anybody considered the possibility of not two different timelines (i’m just ignoring the commercials) and that maybe the return of past characters is because they ARE dead? we’ve seen plenty of ‘dead’ spirits around the island. i think these characters are coming back for sure, but i don’t think they’re coming back as living, breathing characters in an alternate timeline. my gut tells me that they’re the dead spirits of these characters and we’ll seem them just as we saw claire, christian, ben’s mom, etc all throughout the series.