With all of this time travel going on, I thought it might be cool to reach into the future and pull back Damon and Carlton’s official podcast for next week. This is an exclusive release from DocArzt.com and I encourage all who are interested to spread it far and wide. The podcast does pre-hash the LOST season 5 finale, so be forewarned: there may be spoilers involved. For those of you who prefer to wait for the official release, this podcast will be released on the 13th of May.
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Here are some learnings:
Follow The Leader was pure setup (so stop complaining)
How Kate, Sawyer, and Juliet get back to the island will be interesting.
The final scene is compare to the season one finale: blowing open the hatch and not revealing the contents.
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Wow. I’m scared to listen! (and probably will hold off until after the finale as I’m in full anti spoiler mode)….still, nice that someone hooked you up.
Don’t worry. They don’t give spoilers. They may tease and leave you more anxious for the episode but they never give away the answers. Darlton ruleZ!
As much as I want to listen to it, I think I will wait to listen to it.
It’s not that bad…no spoilers really…just a lot of teasing..but nothing remotely possible…
Damn the torpedos! I’m listening!
You go, RandomZombie!
It wasn’t terribly spoilerish, and was the most enjoyable podcast in a long time.
Is it broken?
I get to 2:24 and it stops and won’t continue. *try again*
I quit at 2:24, but if you restart beyond that point, all is well.
Uploading a fixed version now. Keep an eye out.
Got it now-thanks Doc! Had to pause at 2:24, then play. Worked like a charm after.
The official podcast is the one thing that could be considered spoilerish that I don’t avoid.
So basically they screwed the pooch with the compass and are refusing to own up to it. Nice.
Kind of sad when such a simple explanation is available.
I think it is a great plot device. It is something without an answer, but marks each instance of the loop. It is not just 50 years old it could be hundreds or even thousands of years old depending on how many times the loop has happened. It is a marvelous conundrum. Whether intentional or accidental, I am glad that the writers actually held discussions about the compass.
are we still talking about loops?
They said they discussed it for hours and hours. It was totally intentional.
Of course, I wish they had chosen the explanation that for 50 years, Richard Alpert had two different compasses, and then always gives Locke the newer one, which aged and he kept when he gave Locke the newer one in 2007.
But whatever. If they wanted to be evasive and didn’t want to own up to it, they wouldn’t mention it at all on the podcast.
they should have talked about it more, because what they did was just lazy. In my opinion. I have nothing against intentional ambiguity and all that, but this just irritates me.
Oh well, I’ll get over it as long as Daniel’s plan blows up in jack’s face.
In my mind, the compass is an allegory for whats going on with Miles, Daniel, Charlotte and maybe more. They’re all stuck in loops.
I say bring on the paradox, because whats more fun than a big nasty smelly 50 foot tall flaming paradox that drives people who need to impose infallible logic into a work of fantasy, bat shit crazy!
I agree. What if the explanation for Smokey is, “Well, it’s a mystery we can’t explain”?
But the saving grace is, the compass serves zero purpose to the plot, so we can simply ignore it. If the compass had been used to convey information, such as proof that Locke was from the future, I’d have a bigger problem with it. Since isn’t just getting passed back and forth, hell with it.
“Since it is getting…”
I can almost guarantee you that Smokey will be “a mystery we can’t explain.” I’ve been mentally preparing myself for that letdown for a while. I just hope that every explanation won’t disappoint me like I know Smokey’s will.
—– POSSIBLE SPOILER TO SOME —–
the smoke monster is time as a course corrector, it ‘judges’ people based on their place in time and if they belong on the island. a further explanation will be based on egyptian references and the islands original inhabitants (egyptians and richard (jacob)).
I think that you are missing the point, they said it was intentional, and further that it should give some insight into the nature of the show. So, for example, it’s not a new idea that they could the cause the flight 815 crash, and of course if they did so, then this would set up the same type of paradox. There are plenty of others once you begin theorizing about who Jacob could be, who Adam and Eve could be, etc. This would not be the first time this paradox has been addressed via narrative, and indeed a few of the books referenced on the show make use of this theme (ditto for the book from which I got my screen name).
There are some interesting possible answers to the idea, however. For instance, say that something happens to the compass (it deteriorates or something) after Locke gives it to Richard, then Richard wouldn’t be able to give it to Locke, but Richard still would have had it for a time, but he would never have been able to receive it in the first place if it had deteriorated, etc. Is this a more troublesome paradox than the current one? If so, does this help answer why there is a paradox in the first place? This idea that the universe will allow for a material paradox of this sort in order to avoid a more difficult one has been put forward as a possible answer to the paradox. Perhaps you could come up with another, better one? Perhaps the writers already have?
At any rate, they certainly didn’t cop out. Instead, I think it’s safe to say that they have done a really nice job of helping to give some extra fodder to the hardcore theorizers without giving away any truly important information.
Nah, they screwed the pooch.
hey, listen, I am all for the writers doing their thing and I accept that they may be up to something with that compass, its just not what I would have done. And that’s fine too. I would just prefer that they had established that the compass held some importance to Richard in 1955 otherwise its pretty useless as proof that John’s from the future.
All the paradoxical things aside, that bothers me more than anything else, and smacks of lazy writing to me.
On another note, I saw Star Trek as IMAX Saturday and all I can say is HOLY CRAP ON A STICK!
List of Awesome:
the View Screens
Warp Drive
Engineering
If you are having problems… stick with it, I’m replacing the player.
Hey Jon, thank you for sharing the podcast. There are some good reveals on it like who should be the person behind the Comic Con video if it were used in season 5 plot and another one regarding the compass, that the producers sort of admitted is ‘just’ a unsolved mistery.
Take care!
no real spoilers at all in it
The 60 foot flaming Jacob was hilarious.
I’m sorry, but I have to disagree. It’s seems with every new episode, we getting slapped with more failed logic, and with every new podcast, we get a new apology/evasion. Stupid giant flaming Jacob jokes don’t make me feel better about the Lost mystery is turning into swiss cheese.
Excuse the typo. “…Lont mystery turning into swiss cheese.”
Wow. “Lost mystery turning into swiss cheese” Whatever. You get the point.
These guys are funny as hell. Maybe they should write comedy after Lost. As for the fire giant…will he be clothed? I just don’t think television would allow otherwise. Over all though, a good bit of entertainment. Refreshing, yet not too spoilish.
prime time isn’t ready for a four-foot long flaming penis.
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How can this be spoilery? “Follow the leader” was already shown. It doesn’t matter if this was released on the 7 or 13th, it is all the same in the end. The only way this podcast could be spoiler material is if it was the podcast rehashing the finale.
“Somebody get a bucket” LOL
“But Jacob’s 60 feet tall and made of flames!”
“Oh, scratch that, let’s go get our people back.” LOL i love Damon & Carlton!
So Juliet, Sawyer, and Kate get back via the magic box?! This was the most intriguing point to me. Anyone have thoughts on what the box is and how it gets them back???
the ‘magic box’ is a metaphor, and i’m pretty sure that they were being facetious about it getting them off the sub…
It didn’t sound that way to me. While they were tongue in cheek on many things, this comment generally seemed straight forward. Not to say it isn’t a metaphor, but I do believe we will learn more of the “magic box” and what it is and/or how it works…
…sure, jack will find some big box, reach in and pull out sawyer, juliet and kate. and next season we’ll get a flashback to ben pulling anthony cooper out of a giant box and tying him up on the black rock. oh, and we’ll learn that the compass that’s blowing everyone’s mind’s came from the box too. and under the grate that smokey comes out of… yes, a magic box! that’s the secret of the show. a box.
Again let me repeat, not to say it isn’t a metaphor. I am obviously not saying there is an actual box. I am speculating that there is more to the “magic box” than we know now. It would be the previously theorized third way off the island. I have no idea what it is but it could be the same entrance that Locke’s father entered in. By no means have I even slightly insinuated that it’s “the secret of the show,” but feel free to douchesize this comment as well. Namaste…
It’s a METAPHOR. Isn’t it obvious that they simply went to the mainland, kidnapped Anthony Cooper, brought him back to the island, and put him in that box. He basically admitted it.
I have to disagree. The way that damon kinda goes, “heh” after carlton says, “magic box?” doesn’t sound genuine. and I don’t think they would really just give it away and then say, “spoiler alert!” on the podcast.
You could be completely right, but I just got the feeling that they were letting us in on something…
The “box” is obviously the sub.
Not spoiling my self 4 days before the season finale… i mean… come oooooooooon!
After watching the Official Lost VideoPodcast I got to thinking that if Jack is all about blowing up jughead after hearing Daniel ranting about variables, why hasn’t he considered the fact that he would be killing all of the dharma folk and others on the island? he is ok with letting all of those people die? Granted, he is thinking that he will be undoing the plane crash and potentially bringing back the peeps that died during the past 3+ years since the crash…but it still involves sacrificing many lives…surely if an H-bomb goes off, you’d have to think most life on the island dies, no? why would ellie (as a leader of the others) want to kill her folks? I hope they touch on this just a little before the season ends-just to make jack’s decision a little more believable
it’s kinda hard to explain, and maybe another person more versed in time-travel than myself can clarify, but here’s my take:
if jack were to detonate jughead, it would start a new timeline of sorts. the bomb would stop the energy release that causes the crash of 815, therefore he would have never been to the island, and never traveled to the past to detonate the bomb. the 70’s others would live, because they never would have met jack and detonated the bomb. it’s confusing, and i think that it’s not gonna work. i think faraday is wrong, and jack is wanting to believe him so he can save everyone.
Not only that, if Jack and the gang never crashed, then Daniel never went to the island on the freighter, and never went back in time to tell Mom/Richard et. al. to bury the bomb. If Dan never told them to bury the bomb then quite possibly the non-Jack induced incident (i.e. a timeline without Jack and the gang going back to 74/77/50’s and as opposed to what may turn out to be a Jack induced or 815ers induced incident) would never have happened as well. Also, no one went back in time to kill Ben so possibly he never became a leader in opposition to Widmore (so no War between those two).
so its kinda like back to the future pt II when they end up in the wrong 1985, and need to go back to the past to change the present and put them back in the right 1985? they needed to manually course correct the past to ensure it didn’t proceed on the wrong path (leading to a bad present/future)…doc brown explains to marty that if they fixed things in the past, then their present would instantaneously be fixed (back to normal)…
maybe this is what Daniel was hypothesizing would happen to manually course correct things in 1977 to ensure that things in 2004 didn’t happen the way they did (i.e., the plane didn’t crash)???
Yer hes right if jack sets off bomb he never goes to island therefore he never really sets off the bomb if you get the meaning. So in other words the dharma/other folks will be unaffected and Jack and co will never go to island.
It’d be like saying why is Jack not worried about kiling himself, sayid etc.
hey
I’d like to weigh in on the compass debate if I may? Darlton said that the compass loop is absolutely intentional in terms of the show’s broader themes. Basically, as Locke gave the compass to richard, then richard gave the compass to locke, then the compass has no origin, as richard did not own the compass in the first place, so where did it come from?. . . . .Now, apply this same concept to what I beleive to be the “broader theme” in question, what is the origin of Locke and Richard’s beleif that John Locke is the chosen leader of the others? 1954 is the first time they meet, and this stranger john locke tells richard he is his leader, then disappears in front of his very eyes! Only for this same john locke to crash on the island 50 years later, enough to convince richard of locke’s claims obvioulsy. But locke could only give richard this information in 1954 because richard informed him of it after he crashed on the island in 2004! So the idea of locke being the next leader has no origin! More importantly, will this lead to us finding out that locke is not special at all? Or is this complex paradox the only way that locke, richard and everyone else could discover how special he is?
Or is it a self-fulfilling prophecy? COuld it be that because he told Richard that he was the leader in 1954 (then disappeared-which would presumably lend some cred to what he was saying), the seeds were planted in richard’s head…it was compelling enough to drive him to visit locke at birth & when he was a boy (but he failed the test he gave him), so maybe there were doubts…he tried recruiting him as a teenager via Mittelos, but he didn’t take the bait…could he have continued keeping tabs on john through his adulthood? in 1974, richard comes across sawyer who drops locke’s name again, and convinces him that they are from the future and that he is waiting for locke to return.
we don’t know yet what happens between 77-2004 yet, maybe we never will?
…but once locke crashes on the island in 2004(and they found out he was paralyzed but no longer is), it sealed the deal for the others, and thus they deemed him their leader…but yet again he disappeared (after leading for only a few hours actually), and was gone for 3 years…when he suddenly reappeared (with boar in tow), it should be all the proof needed to confirm that he is special, not to mention the little side trip to save his own life he orchestrated
…yet it seems like richard is still hesitant & not as psyched about this prospect as he had been in 2004. I wonder why? maybe he is having doubts and wonders if he was a bit hasty in his proclaimation of locke as leader back in 04?
yeah, a self-fulfilling prophecy is what I was describing. While looking at the use of paradox in fiction on wikipedia, I came across an article about a short story called ‘by his bootstraps’ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_His_Bootstraps which may have had an influence on lost. If so, this does lean me towards the theory that locke is jacob, despite the reports on the net that….well.. I better stop there as I may be treading into spoiler territory. Ill just say I think what is being reported is a misdirection on the part of damon & carlton.
my god- amazing…did you read this? http://www.timetravelreviews.com/short /heinlein_bootstraps.html
Thanks for the link k, this went into more detail than the wiki. It certainly tells a familiar tale does’nt it!? especially for me, the part about bob going back 10 years previous to diktor in order to take his position, only to wonder in 10 years time where diktor is, then to click to the fact he is diktor. This may be where we are headed in the finale, Locke has taken the leadership role, and is now wondering more than ever, where is jacob!? and he may soon discover that thru becoming leader and trying to kill jacob, he is currently on the path to becoming jacob! It also points nicely to the “jughead” situation with whatever happened was meant to happen, but im still undecided on which thing will happen! is jughead the incident? or is the electromagnetic event the incident? I’m still undecided because I still think the writer’s might put their own spin on things by making the past changeable. Faraday speaking to desmond was changing his past, and I believe desmond is the key to any changes that the losties can make. Long post folks, sorry, but hopefully something to chew on.
Hmmmm, very interesting indeed and possibly adding a bit of credence to it – the story was published in 1941 – I could be off here but wasn’t that the year Hurley said he was born when asked by Chang in FTL?
thanks for the link! very interesting…especially given that my pretty new-found love for Lost has started during the last several months since I’ve essentially been locked in a room finishing my dissertation (like the main character in that book…although my study is not on time travel!).
Hey, I love that story! First read it 17 years ago, best time travel story ever. Not to mention it is entirely self-consistent.
As for the compass, read the story and pay attention to the part about the dictionary. I think it illustrates it well.
Newspaper article the other day reveals Egyptian goddess as THE statue as goddess Tarweth (sp?)