Comments on: DocArzt & Friends Podcast 8/12 – Paul Scheer Discusses 8/15, Midfew, and Macaroni

By: Benmanben

Benmanben — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:26:29 +0000

Doc,
This is really getting on my nerves. You probably made up that whole Seanie B. thing to.
I was on to that a long time ago.

By: Evian

Evian — Sun, 16 Aug 2009 02:37:55 +0000

Do you think there could be a connection to what you are saying in regards to when Hurley tells Jack in the institution that they never left the island. (I apologize for not knowing the exact season and episode. I think it was the episode where Hurley is playing chess with Mr. Eko and when Jack leaves he tell Hurley to take his meds.)

By: donuteyes

donuteyes — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:55:04 +0000

am i supposed to be paying attention to all of these games? i’m ignoring my television until football comes back on, and when lost ends, i’m done with episodic television. it all sucks.

By: Ament

Ament — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:09:20 +0000

I think that the guitar symbolizes Hurley’s sanity and that he isn’t crazy or making things up in his head. It was found in the same cab as Jacob and he was able to carry it and everyone around him seen it. Most likely it’s Charlie’s guitar which would add to the symbolizm in his sanity because how did it get off the island and end up in a cab if it wasn’t a reality.

By: doesnt matters

doesnt matters — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:52:55 +0000

cmon guys, are u sirious abot the sneaking in the studio. it is 100% theatre. or mby u guys are part of this ARG ?

By: DocArzt

DocArzt — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:24:48 +0000

Great thoughts. There are plenty of ways for them to keep the stakes real, even if the events of the series to this date were one of thousands of ‘games’ played by Jacob and Man Number 2. I think some fans have their minds made up that it can’t be done, but it can. We are in that typical between seasons place where it is all about our theories and what seems likely to happen, once season 6 starts we’re all along for the ride.

By: thorsten

thorsten — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:35:24 +0000

Which leads us back to Smitty and St. Elsewhere…

I rather believe that these are real characters, and that everything really happened to them.
Maybe they are caught in a loop, maybe they lived through the whole cycle thousands of times in endless, slightly different realities. We know now that it is a game between Esau and Jacob.

We just don’t know all the rules yet.

By: Okan

Okan — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:25:31 +0000

Regarding your last paragraph, the only thing came to my mind is that they are somehow continuosly travelling. Just like our dreams. We sometimes see ourselves with old and new friends together. To be more clear, We sometimes mix times and places in our dreams.

If so, I would say that what Hurley lived there was not real. A kind of mind production. Hurley did not live it. Hurley or somebody else thought it. That’s why he started that scene in a city and ended up with some clues related to the island.
He travelled just like Desmond had done. And I think Desmond is the first person to realise what actually is going on. But he is drunk
If what I am saying is true, then we will see their real situation at the end of the show. Even more, maybe there is not any Hurley, Locke, Jack…. none of these characters exist.

By: Handsome Smitty

Handsome Smitty — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:05:32 +0000

I just wish he’d given me a better part.

By: thorsten

thorsten — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:03:52 +0000

We all live in Tommy Westphalls Universe, Smitty…

By: Handsome Smitty

Handsome Smitty — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:56:40 +0000

Who is Locke to tell the others what they were supposed to do? We’ve seen him struggle against his more natural farmer-nature in his desire to be a hunter: Football vs. Science. Dope dealer vs. law-abiding citizen. Yes, his struggle could be rooted in the idea his consciousness is stuck in the wrong time-line (admittedly a neat idea). But I don’t think it will be that…complicated. I think it’s more about the choices the Losties (and we) make in building our character, hopefully for the good. Mix in buddhism and it becomes a whole ‘nother thing like you’re talking about and that’s just one religious theory, that we get multiple opportunities to return/become a part of a singular consciousness. The show might well be constructed around that idea, and it’s fun to watch and consider all the philosophical ideas that are Lost’s underpinning.

I am one of those saying that a change of the reality, the time-line, will invalidate the past five seasons. Even if the O-6 remember the alternate reality they negated, there are too many other lives changed by the O-6’s actions, actions in which all those others had no say in whether their reality should be changed. This gets us back to the philosophical idea of a few making decisions for others in a way that inhibits their own unalienable right to determine their own life’s course.

If Jack was supposed to do something, then that takes away his ability to make choices. Even Jacob is a proponent of choice: Hurley is told it’s his choice to make to return to the Island or not (although I think Jacob told him he’d do the “right” thing).

But like Sawyer said, “I don’t speak destiny.” While I can wrap my head around all these theories of multiple realities and singular consciousness, and appreciate the thoughts behind them, the reasoning, it doesn’t mean they are correct or that I accept them. Of course, if the show ends with the average viewer being able to understand the logics behind all this, I suppose it will have succeeded on some level. Beats the hell out of a snow-globe, even if I did like that St. Elsewhere resolution.

By: Handsome Smitty

Handsome Smitty — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:28:39 +0000

It is possible that the “something we’ve never seen” in the first 3 episodes is a dreamlike set of events. In the podcast they touch on ‘choices.’ Perhaps the O-6 will be given a taste of that alternate reality (IF the bomb actually changed things and was not a part of what happened, happened) and a choice to return to 2007 and battle the unLocke.

A sort of tweaking the nose of the St. Elsewhere finale.

By: DocArzt

DocArzt — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:23:20 +0000

Wow. I don’t know whether we should be flattered, or they should be insulted.

By: Koobie

Koobie — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:19:03 +0000

DocArzt never landed on the Lost set, it was all done in a studio!

By: Mack

Mack — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:47:01 +0000

Doc, you mentioned in the pod cast that there will be a struggle between time lines. I am a proponent myself of something similar, which I have mentioned before in a thread, and I believe we have already seen prime examples of this. Consider that for the entire show John Locke has been struggling with his desire to follow fate and his disbelief. I see this as a clear example of the greater struggle of the island itself and an indication of the struggle that characters will face in season six.
Alternative realities have been intimated to exist from the very beginning, and I don’t understand why people are so up in arms over it. From the very beginning Locke has been declaring this is not what you were supposed to do. Clearly, he is either correct, or he isn’t. If Locke is correct, and I believe he is, and if Jack and others have deviated from what they were supposed to do, hasn’t this, in fact, created an alternate path?
Alternate time lines do not invalidate the previous five years and here is why. There are two states in Lost, the physical or material and the conscious or mind. Lost has presented these two states clearly when they show characters traveling through time. We have seen both the body traveling and the mind. The body, the physical state of matter which I believe is less relevant than the mind, does not respond well to time travel and will eventually die under the strain.
However, the mind exists somewhere else and there is no indication that when the body dies so does the mind. What I believe is that the mind of all living beings, on Lost at Least, exists as a singular unit but extends itself outward into the physical world Think of the mind as an octopus, extending its eight legs into eight pools of water. There is only one octopus, only one consciousness, but it has extended an aspect of itself into eight containers, the containers being a metaphor for the physical world.
The mind is limited in its actions by the confines of the rules in which an aspect of itself is residing. Physical reality, serves as a vessel for consciousness, but you cannot operate outside the confines mediate by the current reality even more than you can violate the laws of physics, on a large scale at least. In this case, whatever happened, happened, is true.
Some are more aware than others, such as Locke, Walt and Desmond. The overwhelming feeling of something being wrong is a byproduct of the minds general awareness that, well, something is wrong or more precisely something is different. An interesting example is Charlotte. When Charlotte’s physical body began to die, she became aware of an aspect of time that she was not aware of previously. The reason; the connection between her mind and body was deteriorating, and she was becoming less entangle in her current physical reality. Charlotte was tapping back into the singular consciousness. The singular consciousness knows all. This concept of consciousness returning to a singular state is very similar to the Buddhist concept of Nirvana. I am sure the Dharma initiative would agree. On a side note, did anybody notice that the only person whose nose never bled was John Locke? Sawyer’s nose bled and he had been there as long as Locke.
Why does this not invalidate the first five years of lost? Simple, if any of the Losties retained any of the memories of their previous experience, those memories would still be meaningful and real to them. Their motivation would be colored by those experiences. And ultimately, is the experiences, and what we do with them that matters more. This is where you get the conflict. The Losties have to make a choice, a real choice because now they are presented with more than one option. There is more to this but I choose to refrain. It is long enough as it is.