Comments on: Commentary – A Legacy ‘Lost’ – Doc Gets De-Tailsectioned

By: imfromthepast

imfromthepast — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:15:46 +0000

NOOOOOOOO!

By: Announcing “DocArzt’s TheTailsection” - Remember It The Way It REALLY Was - DocArzt’s LOST Blog

Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:01:32 +0000

[...] couple of weeks have passed since my byline was removed from hundreds of articles at TheTailsection.com. A lot of you have contacted me wondering how I [...]

By: Andy W.

Andy W. — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:10:26 +0000

Well said, Doc. As far as I’m concerned, those who choose to stay with TTS after they’ve done something so unethical and inexcusable are no less guilty than those who committed the crime. You’ve been robbed, and for people to stand by and continue visiting their site is despicable. I really think you should keep this item visible on your front page at all times, to make sure everyone who comes to this site knows what they did, not only to shine the spotlight on criminals, but also to remind people who visit both sites of what they’re supporting by continuing to read and post to TTS. If you let it fall off the front page, then TTS gets off free.

By: numbersarebad

numbersarebad — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:25:17 +0000

Jeez dude, thetailsection is so Nikki and Paulo! (that means it sucks) Docarzt.com is my constant. Seriously, after each episode I annoy my family and friends with all my Lost-talk and lose touch with reality, then I come here to regain my sanity. TTS pulled a long-con.

By: AstroJones

AstroJones — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:24:00 +0000

it is, but it says “by Neil Frogurt” in the bottom corner. Sorry, you’ve been replaced.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:37:00 +0000

thetailsection is crap.

they had an article right on the front page listing 2 major spoilers from episode 503, no spoiler warning, no nothing, and the episode hadn’t even aired in my region yet.

i made a couple of snarky posts about it, which were edited out of existence. sure, they weren’t actual episode discussion, but they don’t exactly have a “contact” or “feedback” link or anything. maybe because they’re doing such a bad job?

By: imfromthepast

imfromthepast — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:23:29 +0000

please tell me my header graphic is still there at least!

By: Desi's Brother

Desi's Brother — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:01:53 +0000

That is really shocking. That is plagarism and should not be tolerated. You should bring legal action Doc. Seriously. You spent a lot of time writing those articles and they are your writing, that is not right. It is unjustifiable and you should challenge it. Especially since you would most likely win.

I was still posting at the tailsection, but now I’m done with it.

Most of the people I liked there all post here anyway. It is just a shame to lost my “history” and be reduced to a Newbie after writing hundreds of posts on the tailsection!

By: Landry B.

Landry B. — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:56:06 +0000

As a fellow writer (newspaper business) I would be infuriated…that is unethical on a whole lot of levels…regardless of whether you are with a publication (unless it is different with websites, but it can’t be because it is still plagiarism) or not, you still did the work…I would have an attorney call about the plagiarism….

By: DocArzt

DocArzt — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:54:38 +0000

What Rich is saying is there are moderators and contributors there who are there because they love the show, and that is where they want to contain their ‘conversation’ about it. He’s not defending the actions – intentional or otherwise – of mass plagiarism that TTS is apparently not interested in fixing. I would, however, throw in the aphorism that too often we are judged by the company we keep. Those ‘good’ people should consider that. Sometimes, being a good egg and keeping your mouth shut makes you just as guilty. When you become part of a brand, you stand behind every action whether you agree with it or not.

By: RichPundit

RichPundit — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:42:24 +0000

Whew, the operative word is “they”.

Don’t think any of us disagree … only our relative perspectives. Please reread and ponder DocArzt’s comment to me above.

No doubt there are “they” at TTS with misguided power who have behaved despicably, but imho, “they” are a very small group of not-so-smart individuals. By far, TTS continues to have a large number of contributors … “they” are the good ones and talented who contribute positively to our LOST fan collective psyche for everyone’s benefit.

Personally, think it is foolish to censor yourself from TTS cuz of the few, albeit with power … like throwing the baby out with the bath water [after bathing the baby].

Let’s collectively target the toxic “they”. Any ideas? Names? Leadership? Owners? Am confident anyone invested in TTS would support us … ’tis free enterprise capitalism sprinkled with our transparency. We can deliver the “change we need”.

By: Will

Will — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:26:27 +0000

Yes, yes, you keep saying there are many good and talented people there. But the point is, if they did this, they are neither good nor talented. It’s pretty sad that you’re sticking up for them.

By: Eileen

Eileen — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:57:52 +0000

Another popular site owner pubically claimed he could and then did change the poll results on a BuddyTV shipper poll to prove any poll could be cheated on. It took him only minutes, making me wonder about the relationship between his site and the BuddyTV one. Since then I have stayed away from BuddyTV. The Lost universe appears to be full of folks with no honor and no scruples. Putting someone else’s name on material you wrote Doc is just the latest example.

By: RichPundit

RichPundit — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:33:00 +0000

Yes DocArzt, I mostly focus first on spoilers, then the boards, and consult LOSTpedia for theory formulation and support. I read few articles on TTS, and several here and your other “buddy” DarkUFO.

Again, TTS has many good and talented folks.

[Also, as a scientist/manager, think that most would not publish with a despicable publisher, but would still read publications by them.]despicable publisher.]

By: chris

chris — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:41:49 +0000

Undoubtedly you probably just gave TTS a few hundred extra hits. : (

By: Andy W.

Andy W. — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:39:47 +0000

RichPundit, you’re missing the point. There might be some cool people still posting there, but that doesn’t change the fact those running the show STOLE HIS WORK. There is NO way to rationalize that, and sticking up for them, with all due respect, is what’s not smart. The whole “throwing the baby out with the bath water” and Wall Street analogies fall apart, because the bottom line is that the site has committed plagiarism and, as such, is unworthy of receiving visitors. Who cares if there are still some cool people posting there? TTS no longer adds any real value to the Lost fan community if it condones stealing an author’s work. Shame on them for doing so, and shame on anyone who would stick up for them after they did. The stance you SHOULD be taking is to take them to task for what they’ve done. If you were the person who’d had hundreds of articles stolen from you, I doubt you’d be so conciliatory about it as you’re being when it’s someone else’s work.

By: docarzt

docarzt — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:24:09 +0000

I think you mean the boards, right RP? Certainly the readers have nothing to do with it…

By: Medic

Medic — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:11:40 +0000

In the scientific profession, if a publisher changed author’s on papers, no-one would use them as a publisher anymore. So even though there are probably some good ppl at TS, I would never go to a site that conducts their business in such a manner. It was good that Doc pointed this out, but if you noticed he has moved on and is not crying over spilled milk, which is taking the higher ground on the matter, which is one more reason why I come to this site over other Lost sites on the internet.

By: RichPundit

RichPundit — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:09:50 +0000

Ok, perhaps Wall Street [our Baby] and those involved on Wall Street who helped to create our current economic crisis [our bath water], could serve as a simplistic analogy.

Without details, there is a clear consensus that many on Wall Street, particularly several top executives, behaved despicably and perhaps illegally, to help create our current global economic crisis. However, no doubt there remain many talented and good people on Wall Street who serve our public interest. SOooo, imho, it would not be smart to completely throw out all of Wall Street along with those who behaved despicably.

There clearly are many good and talented people who are actively involved at TTS, particularly the many Posters. TTS adds positively to our vast LOST fan collective psyche.

Make sense?

No doubt there is “Change We Need” at TTS – RichPundit

By: professorstotch

professorstotch — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:07:36 +0000

The sad thing is, since this article was posted I’m sure TTS has seen an insane spike in their volume. And I’m sure they’re quite proud of that fact.

By: Andy W.

Andy W. — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:01:34 +0000

Talented and good people? They stole hundreds of his articles! There’s nothing talented or good about that. What’s more, they just deleted dozens of complaints about it from the comments on their site, hoping to bury the truth. A moment ago, there were a ton of outraged comments about the plagiarism, but now most of them are gone. TTS is clearly without scruples–and the horrible state of that site in the past year shows no talent whatsoever. There is simply no excuse whatsoever for removing all of his credits, and if that site had ANY professionalism or ethics, they’d know that. That they’ve done so says it all.

By: professorstotch

professorstotch — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:59:21 +0000

Baby out with the bath water? I have never heard that…who is actually thowing babies and bath water out in the same group? Those rotten jerks!

By: RichPundit

RichPundit — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:54:31 +0000

Sorry Mikey, imho, not smart!

There are many talented and good people at TTS, and as a Marketing professional would say: “let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water”.

Namaste – RichPundit

By: Mikey

Mikey — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:41:57 +0000

Tailsection — Never again my main man! The hardcore fans know where the real stuff is… and it ain’t there.

By: Uncle Beaver

Uncle Beaver — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:09:02 +0000

Oh, I in no way mean that Doc shouldn’t be credited with those articles. He can and should be able to do with his site as he pleases. I’m curious why he left TTS. I just never knew the circumstances.